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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Joat42   » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:37 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:Where is that witness? We do not deal in 'secret denunciations' and 'anonymous accusations' here. Present your witnesses for cross-examination. All of them.

Which the senate can do when the articles of impeachment are brought to them. If they want to that is...

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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:50 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:
n7axw wrote:There was at least one witness in the hearings who heard the phone call directly.

Where is that witness? We do not deal in 'secret denunciations' and 'anonymous accusations' here. Present your witnesses for cross-examination. All of them.


Depending on which call n7 is referring to he is talking about either Vindman or Holmes.

Both of whom testified. Very not anonymously or secretly. And were cross examined. Which you would know if you actually cared about the evidence.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:24 am

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So far, I haven't seen any evidence that it's anything more than a partisan kangaroo-court farce. If there was any substance to their accusations, they would send them to the Senate for trial.

As it is, they're 'sitting' on the case, crowing that 'the President has been impeached!' when so far, all they have is an indictment they're afraid to submit for trial because they don't control the Senate. They won't be able to control what other facts come to light, either.

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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:41 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:So far, I haven't seen any evidence that it's anything more than a partisan kangaroo-court farce. If there was any substance to their accusations, they would send them to the Senate for trial.


They're not sending it for trial because McConnell went on national television and flat out announced he was rigging the trial on Trump's behalf.

This isn't complicated or unclear.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:53 am

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All he said was, the Senate is not going to rubber-stamp it because they're not controlled by the Democrats. The 'rigging' has already been done, in the House.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by n7axw   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:27 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:So far, I haven't seen any evidence that it's anything more than a partisan kangaroo-court farce. If there was any substance to their accusations, they would send them to the Senate for trial.

As it is, they're 'sitting' on the case, crowing that 'the President has been impeached!' when so far, all they have is an indictment they're afraid to submit for trial because they don't control the Senate. They won't be able to control what other facts come to light, either.

I think the House Of Representatives has turned into Room 9-A.
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The President is impeached. That is what happened in the House and what the House does. The Senate's role is to remove the President from office on the basis of the Houses impeachment. What you are referring to as the indictment is the voted out articles of impeachment.

Especially in our currently highly charged political environment I don't expect the President to be removed. I wish it could be handled in a bipartisan way. But even in more normal times a President has never been removed by this process.

The speaker has said that she will send the articles up when the Senate establishes the rules under which it will proceed. But the majority leader seems to want to use the Senate's procedure into Trumps rubber stamp from which he will claim vindication. So whatever happens to the articles of impeachment, the whole matter will have to be decided by the voters in the fall.

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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Eyal   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:39 am

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Imaginos1892 wrote:All he said was, the Senate is not going to rubber-stamp it because they're not controlled by the Democrats. The 'rigging' has already been done, in the House.
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McConnell has openly been coordinating with the White House on the trial process.

And at least one Republican Senator (Graham) has explicitly stated he's partisan.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:06 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:All he said was, the Senate is not going to rubber-stamp it because they're not controlled by the Democrats. The 'rigging' has already been done, in the House.
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No. He literally said he was going to run the trial in accord with Trump's legal defense team and there would be no daylight between them.

When you announce that the defendant gets to run the trial that's freaking rigging the trial.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Annachie   » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:50 pm

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There's aparently been calls from within the GOP to just vote to dismiss. To not bother with an actual trial.

Yep, fair and unbiassed all the way.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:27 pm

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Bolton suddenly deciding he is willing to testify in the impeachment after Trump gives him the provocation with Iran he has been salivating over for years is... suspicious timing.
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