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Brigade XO
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I thought the CO CLAC and CO LAC Group are two differnt people and positions.
You have a Captain/CO of the ship and you have the Commander-LAC Group. The CLAC's CO may end up being the Flag Captain for the actual officer commanding a multi CLAC or CLAC plus other ships in a force. Then you have the Commander LAC Group, the equivelent of a "CAG" (Commander Air Group) on a modern carrier or airbase. You end up with a the commander of the ship, responsible for fighting and operating it, the commander LAC group, responsible for manageing and fighting it and the Division/sub-Division or Task Force commander with overall control -and who must delegate the majority of the actual accomplising of tasks to the unit (like the CLAC and LAC Group). |
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cthia
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You're correct Vince. I make the mistake of not actually knowing the scope of Truman's responsibilities. I'm remembering the beginning, when the command slot was new, that the reach of each position had to be determined. I was under the impression that Truman formed the strategy of attacks, then the COLAC handles the tactics once the LACs were off. Which relegated Truman to twiddling her thumbs after LAC launch. I was wrong and concede another point in the salle to you and Jeff. But my sentiment was geared more towards giving the position to someone else already. It's an established slot now. Free Truman to command a fleet. Would that be a demotion? Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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The E
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Wasn't Truman's last post as second in command of 8th Fleet? And wasn't she the one commanding the RMN task force that was sent to Beowulf? I'm pretty sure those posts can be described as proper fleet command. |
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cthia
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I'm glad you brought that up E. I was temporarily appeased when she got CO of a squadron of CLACs. But I'd still like to see her in a more visible, more intimate role. I'm really not belittling the importance of her command slot. But I'd really like storyline to afford her more page time to strut her mettle in the genius of her tactics. Just my wish. I suppose the same could be done in her present slot, if RFC willing and the situation calls for it. If so, I personally would cherish those battle scenes. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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cthia
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What ship classes are more pressing to come out of Bolthole?
Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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Jonathan_S
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Honestly, based on the fact that we haven't seen any real improvements in Havenite escorts (except for fitting bow/stern walls) they are probably most in need of overhaul/replacement. A Havenite BC probably has a noticeable but not crushing edge on a SLN BC equipped with SDMs, and is outranged by one carrying Cataphracts. Whereas a Havenite SD(P), carrying Havenite capacitor powered MDMs, can easily crush multiple SLN SDs. But I think it's more work to transfer and integrate the tech necessary for radically newer escorts than the hybrid-build approach that was proposed for Bolthole SD(P)s -- where Haven initially builds the hulls and guts using their normal tech, then integrates tac systems and missiles from Beowulf that add the Keyhole II and Apollo capabilities. So it sounds like Haven (and Beowulf) are going to initially focus on rolling out top of the line SD(P)s; even though that's where Haven is currently least deficient. |
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Dauntless
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given that a Grand alliance SD (P) is as fast as most Solly BC, they don't need small fast ships to run down and harass the enemy.
what they need is a 2 x4 so big that not even the stupidest solly is going to want to tangle with it. the difference in construction time is a factor, and one reason why I would have suggested going with Nike BC or Agemenon? BC(P). But again I think it comes down to the fact a Solly sees a big (very big in the case of Nike) BC and just thinks what can that little toy do to my big nasty SD (talk about slow learners). they see SD(P) and they are a little more respectful and can do the simple math of 1 SD(P) kill 20 SDs (yes i know they can kill a lot more) and will know when to cut their losses. (i hope) |
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cthia
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The Honor of the Queen
My bold.
Cardones trick of using Saladin's ECM was genius. But if I'm understanding it correctly, that shouldn't have been possible. Wouldn't have been possible if Saladin had an experienced crew and ECM had not been functioning under computer control. I think ECM frequencies would have been constantly changing - modulating? Exactly what would have been going on with Saladin's ECM if it hadn't been operating in a canned mode? ...
Something I've always wanted to know. Why can't nukes get through? If it's the size, then Honorverse tech can't engineer them so that they aren't any larger than laserheads? Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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JeffEngel
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Nukes have to get the actual warhead inside the wedge, some tens of km away from the target, and they almost have to be without even a sidewall in the way. Laserheads are effective when they go off, at an angle that doesn't try to fire through the wedge, at some tens of thousands of kilometers from the target. Compare the effectiveness of a firearm that requires 1 foot range versus a quarter of a mile. It's not even a firearm in the first case - it's a knife. A short knife. In someone's teeth. |
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Jonathan_S
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[edit: oops, JeffEngel beat me to it] It's not size (laserheads are bigger than nukes because they're nukes plus grav lenses plus lasing rods); it's the distance. Laser heads detonate at 30,000 km (early series) to 50,000 km (late series) away from the target. Nukes detonate at < 10 km (inside the sidewall). The closer you get to the ship the more effective point defense becomes. That last 29,990 km is where PDLCs really get to shine and rip apart incoming warheads. And you can't even count on saturating the defenses because you need the missile wedge up for the sidewall perpetrator to attempt to get the contact nuke through the sidewall; and at 10km wide you can only fit a few of them at a time into the gap between a ship's wedge planes. That's why Rafe's trick was so surprising; he exploited that the Saladin's defenses were on a predicable computer controlled setting to totally psych them out - causing them to miss what should have been a trivial intercept. |
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