Weird Harold wrote:How many High-school Students/college freshmen do you know who actually know how to cook? How many of those know how to prepare a balanced diet for 6,000?
What does that have to do with anything? Of course they can't cook, but the skillset you want to teach is one that does not require an SLN SD, or a spaceborne platform to teach. It can be done just as well in any number of normal kitchens.
High technology isn't required for a Cordon Bleu school either but people pay good money to attend. A military cook is a lot more than Sad Sack pealing potatoes and onions.
Never said anything else. Just saying that the need for those cooks isn't great enough to make this scheme worthwhile.
No, it doesn't take an SD or even a mere destroyer, but an environmental tech needs to know both ends of the spectrum and everything in between. The course material for environmental career advancement would cover everything from apprentice level filter scrubbing to system design. The course material would cover ground-side systems as well, because a tour in a ground base someday might be in a tech's future.
And any system that has space-based infrastructure
will have training facilities for this sort of thing already, or have working relationships with systems that do. It's not necessary to cart in an SD or ten to provide that schooling.
Not necessarily the best place to teach it, but there's career advancement course for plumbers mate aboard. Actually probably as set of courses that cover everything from apprentice level shipboard maintenance to design level caontr-grav building requirements.
And again, any system that needs those plumbers probably already has all the facilities needed to train them. No SDs needed.
You're not getting the point that there are more than manuals aboard a warship; there are the course materials for career advancement for every specialty a navy has. The course materials are the equivalent of a correspondence branch of a Landing University
And what you're not getting is that, while there is a plethora of training manuals available,
they're not needed in the systems you want to deploy them to. Any need for these training materials can probably be filled quite easily out of existing civilian ressources, or even existing RMN ressources, if you're really so desperate as to rely on military ressources to fill a civilian want.
A SLN warship isn't the ideal place to teach civilians, but it is a place where SLN sailors spend years at a time constantly training on their career path and on off-duty college courses if they are so inclined.
Yes, and? Given that the people you want to train
are civilians, why put them through a training regime that isn't well-suited for them? Why go through all the trouble involved in teaching people how to behave safely aboard a warship, just to train them how to cook, or be a plumber, or how to program? It won't get the job done quicker, or better.
On a poor planet like pre-war Grayson that didn't have molycircs, there wouldn't be any "normal classroom environment" available.
Yes, because classrooms or computers can't exist on something as primitive as a pre-molycirc planet. Sure.
Programming can be taught with pencils and papers. You don't need the latest and greatest in order to do it, and as such, getting teaching hardware and manuals out there should be easy. Also a task that doesn't take an SD's facilities, just a couple thousand tons of cargo capacity on a freighter.
You are also assuming that molycircs everywhere are the same, or programming paradigms and development suites are the same everywhere. This is so far unproven.
You've obviously never dealt with military education, have you?
The knowledge and course materials contained in those ships is the equivalent of a Solarian University. Along with the computer support to administer those courses either with an instructor/Trainer, or on a self-learning basis.
I've only dealt with the Bundeswehr, and how it does training, which isn't applicable knowledge in this case.
Why do you want to put people through a style of training using equipment and training manuals that will be just a temporary measure? When proper civilian education is already on the horizon? I submit to you that there just isn't a great need to put people through this sort of program just to give them a couple of months of head start, certainly not enough of a need to justify dealing with all the headaches this scheme of yours comes packaged with.
Given the choice of a Manticoran education in a year or two, or a Solarian education this year, which would you choose?
Irrelevant question. Why do these people need to start their education now? Why do these people need to start their education now using hardware and training manuals that are going to be superceded by Manticoran hardware and manuals soon?
(If a r/w US "Boomer" submarine can provide my brother with a pre-med degree and most of his doctorate, why should I expect a Warship 2000 years in the future to do less?)
If I recall my Clancy right, this means that your brother spent several months at a time on deployments where access to civilian education just wasn't possible.
The SLN, as you may recall, has a slightly different operational posture than the USN. Assuming that they are stocked the same way as a USN vessel would be isn't exactly prudent, especially given that Prolong changes the equation quite a bit.
Nowadays, when you enter the military, you have to plan for what you're going to do after you leave the service (unless you're going for lifelong service). As such, and given that everyone involved realizes that knowing how to field-strip a rifle in under a minute isn't exactly the most transferable of skills, most moder militaries offer education options to their soldiers.
With prolong, that changes a bit. So what if you spend a decade being a Soldier, and then spend five years in University? Unlike today, where a person who did this would have spent most of their adult life by this point, a prolong recipient would just be leaving the equivalent of young adulthood.
The pressure just isn't there, you know?
I recognize that a SLN warship must have at least as much educational material aboard as warships of today have, and the TQ needs to upgrade its education system.
Where compatible downlinks for distance learning are possible, that would be preferable, but getting the knowledge to students this year instead of a year or two from now is desirable -- NOT "Critical," just "desirable."
Sure, it's desirable alright. I'm just doubting that your way of addressing that desire is actually good.
A lot of students or patients can be lifted to orbit in each flight. Being in orbit isn't a problem for contra-grav transportation.
Training people to behave safely aboard a warship, however, is.