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Politics in school, follow on to background needed for HH
Post by wholf359   » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:11 pm

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In the thread I started earlier I mentioned how my roommates child was being taught a very shaded form of history that could affect how well he could understand RFC's novels. The most extreme being how we WON the Vietnam war and how we PROVED convoys were unnecessary and in fact more dangerous for merchant shipping in WW2 until 1943. When his parents objected to the school, they were threatened with a social services investigation due to "immoral home teaching".

While looking into how this could POSSIBLY work, we found that in our state it is Illegal to teach children critical thinking and logic before the college level. The reason written into the law is it leads to disobedient children and breakdown of society for people to young to understand how and when to question actions.
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by pokermind   » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:32 pm

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wholf359, "While looking into how this could POSSIBLY work, we found that in our state it is Illegal to teach children critical thinking and logic before the college level. The reason written into the law is it leads to disobedient children and breakdown of society for people to young to understand how and when to question actions."

Boy and I thought the lunatics were in charge of the asylum on these Forums. In Virginia? You got to be kidding! George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Patrick Henry are spinning in their graves.

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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by wholf359   » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:48 pm

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From the GOP's party platform in Texas.

"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:22 pm

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Acknowledged. HTM

wholf359 wrote:From the GOP's party platform in Texas.

"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by KNick   » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:39 pm

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pokermind wrote:Boy and I thought the lunatics were in charge of the asylum on these Forums. In Virginia? You got to be kidding! George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Patrick Henry are spinning in their graves.

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Right next door it is illegal to tell the staff or students of a school that a new student has been transferred in for disciplinary reasons do to criminal activity at their old school. It is considered a violation of their right to privacy, even if the offence they were transferred for happened in public on public property in front of the student body.

As an example, three middle school girls attacked and hospitalized a fourth. The girl who was attacked was given the choice of staying in that school or transferring to another school at her own expense. Since this was not the first attack by these girls on her, she transferred. Four months later, those same three girls attacked a teacher. They were immediately transferred to another school. It was the same one that the first girl had been transferred to. The teachers and staff of the new school were not told that the three girls were transferred for attacking a teacher and the girl who transferred to get away from them was not told they were coming. Just a couple of hours after their arrival, they found the girl who had tried to get away from them and hospitalized her again. They also attacked a teacher who tried to break it up. It took several boys from the schools football team to finally pull them off. When questioned, the administrator who transferred them cited their right to privacy as the reason he didn't warn anyone.
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by wholf359   » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:24 pm

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That last example more ties into the strange feeling children have an absolute right to privacy. I have been yelled at for "violating privacy" by both kids and OTHER parents for simply helping to check grounded kids phones and emails....

(Not the parents of the kids in question who asked me to check for hidden items, but parents of there friends.)
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by kbus888   » Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:05 am

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Hi Guys

It is a VERY OLD saying that history repeats itself.

I see the best solution to avoiding past mistakes is to study what REALLY happened in order to learn from the past.

If our students are not exposed to past realities -- well; "history repeats itself".

Sad -- so sad -- and dangerous too.

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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by KNick   » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:20 am

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When I posted my experiences with my past history teacher, one of the things I didn't mention specifically was that that year I was trying to make up my mind whether to enlist, wait to be drafted (with a draft # of 1) or run a couple of hundred miles north to Canada. (I actually got my draft notice in boot camp, because they hadn't gotten the word that I had enlisted.) At the time, I realized that I needed truth to make an informed decision but truth was the last thing of interest to my teachers. By perpetuating that philosophy of education, we deprive our children of the tools they need to make rational decisions on topics that will affect the rest of their lives. By "protecting" them from themselves, we leave them open to the conmen of the world, whether it is some thief or a cult leader. In 45 years, I have not figured out a way to get that idea through to an "educator", which is really a downer, since both of my parents were at one time teachers.
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:00 pm

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Jacqueline Lichtenburg (Sime/Gen Series) calls this
"Protecting them from the knowledge needed to survive."

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KNick wrote:[snip - htm]
By perpetuating that philosophy of education, we deprive our children of the tools they need to make rational decisions on topics that will affect the rest of their lives. By "protecting" them from themselves, we leave them open to the conmen of the world, whether it is some thief or a cult leader.
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Re: Politics in school, follow on to background needed for H
Post by Daryl   » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:13 am

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Being a regular Weber reader and poster here is virtually a guarantee of an inquiring and open mind, so I'd imagine that all here have memories of learning to sprout the official line while ensuring that we educated ourselves. I was always in trouble for solving complex mathematical questions in my head and writing down the answer without showing my workings. Being accused of cheating by morons is never pleasant.
On another occasion while at a church boarding school I answered a religious education exam question on martyrs by discussing those of other religions. Head Brother was not impressed & I was caned until I bled.
Bitter and twisted? Less so as years pass.
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