ThinksMarkedly wrote:Relax wrote:I used to agree with you on this point regarding SD top heavy bloat... until UH came out and the SLN has 4000 BC... At which point, who needs DD's???? Why bother if you only have 1800 core system and a couple thousand protectorates. Of course in same UH, we are told the SLN has FAR more DD's than BC's...
Pretty sure my eyes did not go cross eyes when reading that part in UH... I do remembering reading those passages several times because I literally could not believe it...
The SKM used to have something between 250 and 400 DDs for two systems (Manticore and Basilisk).
We have a gargantuan MASSIVE difference.
Manticore has more merchant marine traffic than nearly the ENTIRE SL...
ThinksMarkedly wrote:Jonathan_S wrote:[1] If the wiki is to be believed; I couldn't quickly find the RFC fleet strength posting. Though based on the HoS numbers having 199 BCs pre-war implies that nearly all 118 of the old Redoubtable-class BCs must have still been in service, as there were only 86 Homers built to date, and the first Reliants were only just starting to enter service when the war started.
Thanks for reminding us that that existed! Link:
Fleet Strengths as of 1905PD
So the RMN had 485 DDs before the first war and another ~300 of both CL and CAs, which is what it mostly used for commerce protection. Since that's what the League should have been focusing on, I'd indeed say they were understrength.
The SL has 1800x more systems than the old SKM and 1000x more population.
SL has more than 1800 systems as that # is ONLY core voting systems. Not the protectorates at minimum which are VERY numerous.
Jonathan_S wrote:Relax wrote:I used to agree with you on this point regarding SD top heavy bloat... until UH came out and the SLN has 4000 BC... At which point, who needs DD's???? Why bother if you only have 1800 core system and a couple thousand protectorates. Of course in same UH, we are told the SLN has FAR more DD's than BC's...
Pretty sure my eyes did not go cross eyes when reading that part in UH... I do remembering reading those passages several times because I literally could not believe it...
Well, the RMN, pre-war, as a 3 planet polity, had 199 BCs[1]. It doesn't seem overburdened with BCs for 900 times more systems to have 20 times more BCs. Especially since many of them were employed beyond that 1800 system core.Uncompromising Honor wrote:“Five T-months ago, Battle Fleet and Frontier Fleet between them had four thousand four hundred and twelve in active commission and four hundred and sixty undergoing routine overhaul,”
[snip]we were at least twenty percent understrength for our peacetime missions in the Verge and Fringe.
[snip]
Since that time, we’ve lost in excess of four hundred of those ships—and their crews
And with the SLN having over 10,000 SDs (admittedly about 8,000 of them in the Reserve) 4,000 active commission BCs both sounds like a lot relative to the active commission SDs but not a lot relative to everything the SLN might need lighter units to do.
For comparison, pre-war, in the RMN the 199 BCs only made up about 15% of the 1312 below the wall combatants; (despite the RMN having a BC focused doctrine!).
So yeah, it seems they were having to deploy BCs on CL and DD missions
That almost sounds plausible except we are ALSO told that 95% of the SL core worlds have nothing heavier than a DD/LAC and only a ~dozen or so planets who even have a squadron of SD's in the SL and another ~dozen or so planetary systems who have a squadron of SD's who are not in the SL of which Manticore, Haven, Andermani, Grayson, Erewhon are 5 of said planets.
So, we have SL 2400SD + 4400BC's that we know of who are doing NOTHING sitting in a couple giant military depots. FF, also we know has nothing heavier than BC, yet have very few BC's. All of whom add up to MANY times the total SD's everyone else has, and the ratio of SLN BC to everyone else's BC's is even greater We should literally see SLN BC's swanning around everywhere. Yet we are told FF doesn't have enough ships So which is it?
In short, we have conundrums all over the place. Either Total number of planets is WOEFULLY low, and why I published ~15,000 or so is the actual number that maybe DW has changed it to over time?, or the SLN is so bloated by corruption to build all the white elephants which are ancient it makes ones mind water even though there is no threat from ANYONE even if 100% of everyone decides to rebel all at the same time.