drothgery wrote:The CD.zip and ISO.zip links work (or at least something big starts downloading when I click on them). You can't go straight to the individual books, though.
Edit: The iso.zip link definitely works as of today (2014-06-02)
AH thanks.
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by Relax » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:45 pm | |
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by Lord Skimper » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:44 am | |
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That is funny, I have read all the books but I don't have them handy, they are in storage.
So which wedge node geometry does hyperspace support? Alpha, Beta and Missile? Just Alpha? We know that Alpha nodes work as freighters only have Alpha nodes. Beta nodes do not require the geometry of Alpha nodes which suggests they may not work in hyperspace. One wonders if missile nodes are of a geometry similar to Alpha nodes. If beta nodes do work one could use a CLAC and deploy LAC in hyperspace. Could make for interesting ambushes etc... ________________________________________
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by Weird Harold » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:57 am | |
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http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/22-M ... onorCD.zip .
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by The E » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:27 am | |
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You may have read them, but it doesn't seem as if you're remembering what you read all that well.
See, this right here for example. First, Freighters do have alpha and beta nodes. There is no mention in the text of a ship design that has only alpha nodes. Both alpha and beta nodes work equally well in real-space and hyperspace, with the caveats that outside of a grav wave, alpha nodes do jack shit (Because their only purpose is to generate a W-sail, and W-sails don't work outside a grav wave), and firing up an impeller wedge inside a grav wave will kill you instantly.
Yes, you can use LACs and missiles in hyper. As was demonstrated very early on, in Honor Among Enemies. It's just that that capability isn't very useful most of the time, because it's very very easy to miss your ambush targets in hyper unless you have a really good idea of where your targets are going to be, enough ships to cover a sufficiently large search area, and fast enough ships to intercept your targets with sufficient force to stop them from scattering not only in three dimensions, but also by shifting up or down a hyper band. |
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by Jonathan_S » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:30 am | |
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Eh, I hate to have to correct you, but alpha nodes are capable of generating a wedge or a sail. So outside a grav wave the alpha nodes contributed to the impeller wedge; doing more than just "jack shit" . And, while I can't find it offhand, I swear there was a passing mention that some freighter designs did use a pure Alpha node configuration, but almost all included beta nodes for drive redundancy. The closest I was able to find was in Timothy Zahn's short story 'An Act of War' (IFF) which included the quote "And since a typical freighter didn’t have any beta nodes" which I think is an overstatement (since, for example, the Solarian designed Dromedary-class freighter from SoS had beta nodes). |
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by SWM » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:08 am | |
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I suspect Timothy Zahn got it wrong. Other text and infodumps strongly imply that alpha nodes cannot create an impeller wedge. --------------------------------------------
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by SWM » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:23 am | |
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Here is one post from RFC that strongly implies that alpha nodes cannot generate a wedge: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3282&p=75495&hilit=spider+impeller#p75495
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by TheMonster » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:05 am | |
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I've always understood the distinction to be that beta nodes can't contribute to a sail, but Alpha nodes can contribute to a wedge. The Alpha nodes themselves would not be sufficient to produce a wedge by themselves, which is why Beta or Beta-Squared nodes are also required (only half as many of the latter). It may even be possible for the Alpha nodes themselves to fully power a wedge, but at the cost of putting a lot of wear on them that nobody wants to have, so SOP is to let the Betas do as much as possible because they're cheaper. If Alpha nodes really couldn't contribute to wedges, then (on warships) they'd be mounted on rams and run out only when needed to mount a sail, and retracted with armored doors closed over them when not needed, just to protect the precious things against getting hit in battle. |
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by Jonathan_S » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:37 am | |
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But the description of the invention of the Warshawski Sail in MtH implies otherwise. "reconfigured at will" says to me that the Alpha nodes can generate a wedge or a sail. I thought the wormhole transit description in OBS might have had something too, but its too vague on which nodes cut out of the wedge when the foresail was raised. (Though, on a side note, but describes Fearless as, at least temporarily, having a foresail and an aft-wedge up simultaneously.) |
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by SWM » Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:54 pm | |
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Hm. That's a plausible interpretation. I can't think of any text that would contradict that view. --------------------------------------------
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