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by n7axw » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:18 pm | |
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IIRC, Erowhon had the older capacitor driven MDMs and provided that tech to the Republic prior to round 2 of the war with Manticore. I would imagine that is what Maya would have received when they got their MDMs.
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by Vince » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:22 am | |
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Regarding the question that I bolded. Not difficult at all, for most if not all practical purposes it has already been done (and has been given to both the PRN in exile and the SLN). The second stage of the Cataphract A is a missile body with a counter missile drive, and has half the normal number of lasing rods of a DD/CL missile: Italics are the author's, boldface is my emphasis. -------------------------------------------------------------
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by Theemile » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:03 am | |
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Yes, 12 of Erewhon's DNs took part in the Buttercup raids with 8th fleet. They at least had their firecontrol modified to manage MDM and routinely carried them as part of 8th fleet. Though unstated, one could also assume that some MDM pods were sent to Erewhon for defensive purposes. It's obvious they never had their own assembly line. ******
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by n7axw » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:45 pm | |
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I would imagine that as they developed their capacity for building warships that an assembly line for MDMs would have been part of the mix. They wouldn't be current tech, but far better than no MDM at all. Don - When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by Theemile » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:49 pm | |
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They would have to. Part of the Erewhon buildup was an acknowledgement that to be a major power, you needed your own infrastructure, or you were forever beholden to those who did. Part 2 of the buildup was undoubtedly a shipyard in Maya space to build and support it's growing fleet. They probably would have preferred to build their own ships and missiles from the start, but the need to hide it from the SL an spin the Erewhonese involvement for financial purposes required as much Erewhonese construction as possible. ******
RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships." |
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by kzt » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:43 pm | |
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The Andies didn’t have MDM production until post OB. So maybe not. |
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by Theemile » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:54 pm | |
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The Andies did have their own DDM lines for their domestically developed capital DDM, and they didn't have a ship that could fire fusion MDMs until late 1920/early 1921. The original 40ish Adler SD(p)s were modified to fire Manticore's remaining stocks of mk 41 pods as in intirm measure (which took 4-6 months to complete), so the Andies pretty much got free missiles, just for joining up, knowing that the Fusion birds were just around the bend for their new construction - but then the new construction started being modified for Apollo with Keyhole II and delays in Manticore kept pushing out Apollo production there. So I can see the Andies not building a mk 41 line (dead end tech that will be retrofitted out asap), and not starting a mk 23 line, (wait, we're finalizing a new missile called Apollo, it's almost ready, why waste your time and money), and not starting a Apollo line (wait another week then we'll send it - we're still ironing out bugs...) ******
RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships." |
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by ywing14 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:20 pm | |
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Agree, I don't think they'd build the ships if they couldn't arm them. |
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by ywing14 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:22 pm | |
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The Andies did have their own DDM lines for their domestically developed capital DDM, and they didn't have a ship that could fire fusion MDMs until late 1920/early 1921. The original 40ish Adler SD(p)s were modified to fire Manticore's remaining stocks of mk 41 pods as in intirm measure (which took 4-6 months to complete), so the Andies pretty much got free missiles, just for joining up, knowing that the Fusion birds were just around the bend for their new construction - but then the new construction started being modified for Apollo with Keyhole II and delays in Manticore kept pushing out Apollo production there. So I can see the Andies not building a mk 41 line (dead end tech that will be retrofitted out asap), and not starting a mk 23 line, (wait, we're finalizing a new missile called Apollo, it's almost ready, why waste your time and money), and not starting a Apollo line (wait another week then we'll send it - we're still ironing out bugs...)[/quote] I'd be hard pressed to believe though by uncrompromising honor that the Andies hadn't taken apart an Apollo pod and were in the process of duplicating it. |
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by Weird Harold » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:56 pm | |
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An Apollo pod needs eight Mk23s to go with the ACM. There's no reason the Andermani wouldn't build Mk23s while waiting for the final Apollo specs. Making minor modifications to the line if needed for Apollo compatibility wouldn't be a big deal and their non-Keyhole ships could still use Mk23 pods. .
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