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[SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"

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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:10 pm

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Bluestrike2 wrote:Aside from being a binary system with three habitable planets, Manticore is pretty much a run-of-the-mill frontier star nation that's not located anywhere special. Its population is better educated, and their tech base is better than most, but that's likely not their enemy's rational.



Manticore does have the distinction of having a biome close enough to Earth's that it developed a plague that could attack humans. I don't know if that's enough to lead speculation down a rabbit hole in the search for a motive.
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by HungryKing   » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:48 pm

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Um, I hate to burst bubbles but Manticore finds out about the nexus relatively quickly, it should be either the next book or the following one. In fact, based on what we know, it should have in call to vengeance, but then the Andies were added.
They then examine it and discover that it is well beyond their abilities to actually survey, maybe beyond anyone's capabilities at the time. They then spend decades arguing over whether to survey, opposing factions argue that the estimated price, which may have been decreasing over time, is too high or that pandora's box should not openned.

Weird Harold wrote:
Bluestrike2 wrote:Aside from being a binary system with three habitable planets, Manticore is pretty much a run-of-the-mill frontier star nation that's not located anywhere special. Its population is better educated, and their tech base is better than most, but that's likely not their enemy's rational.



Manticore does have the distinction of having a biome close enough to Earth's that it developed a plague that could attack humans. I don't know if that's enough to lead speculation down a rabbit hole in the search for a motive.
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by Theemile   » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:12 am

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HungryKing wrote:Um, I hate to burst bubbles but Manticore finds out about the nexus relatively quickly, it should be either the next book or the following one. In fact, based on what we know, it should have in call to vengeance, but then the Andies were added.
They then examine it and discover that it is well beyond their abilities to actually survey, maybe beyond anyone's capabilities at the time. They then spend decades arguing over whether to survey, opposing factions argue that the estimated price, which may have been decreasing over time, is too high or that pandora's box should not openned.


Where did you hear this?
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by HungryKing   » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:24 pm

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The stuff about the nexus is in one of the early background appendices, and is, I things, repeat in HoS.

The stuff about the Andies causing a delay in parts of the timeline was a post from around when the Travis Long trilogy became the Travis Long Cycle, and then the Manticore Ascending series, which was then clarified to be more than a trilogy, there was something about how the Andies had battleships, and that one might appear but that it would require some convolutions as Manticore and the empire were too far apart for direct interaction.
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HungryKing wrote:Um, I hate to burst bubbles but Manticore finds out about the nexus relatively quickly, it should be either the next book or the following one. In fact, based on what we know, it should have in call to vengeance, but then the Andies were added.
They then examine it and discover that it is well beyond their abilities to actually survey, maybe beyond anyone's capabilities at the time. They then spend decades arguing over whether to survey, opposing factions argue that the estimated price, which may have been decreasing over time, is too high or that pandora's box should not openned.


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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by martin   » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:53 pm

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There is a SPOILER warning. Even so anyone following must be thinking,”how come these guys know all this when ‘A Call to Vengeance’ isn’t even released yet?” Due March isn’t it? What is the point of advance review copies so long before release?
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by Keith_w   » Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:00 am

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martin wrote:There is a SPOILER warning. Even so anyone following must be thinking,”how come these guys know all this when ‘A Call to Vengeance’ isn’t even released yet?” Due March isn’t it? What is the point of advance review copies so long before release?


1. It allows people to mention errors like "tied-locked" should be "tidal-locked"
2. it seems as though they charge more for E-arc books than they do for non e-arc books.
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by Fox2!   » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:00 am

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PeterZ wrote:So far there hasn't been mention of fraternization rules. Perhaps, there aren't any yet and our lovely couple is the reason for those rules.

Well one assumes those suggestions Her Majesty offered foreshadow the next book. As for the coin toss, just speculating.


ACD, pg 241 of the hardcover edition wrote:
... Lisa Donnelly was an officer, and Travis was enlisted, and RMN rules forbade fraternization between ranks. Strictly speaking, he couldn't even be her friend, let alone anything more. No, it would be best if he just forgot the whole thing and focused his attention on his job.
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by Rincewind   » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:29 pm

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A thought.

Do we know have to start referring to Travis as Commander Long in a similar fashion to a well known secret agent who goes by the moniker of Commander Bond?

And will Travis have to start introducing himself as 'Long, Travis Long'?
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:04 am

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Rincewind wrote:A thought.

Do we know have to start referring to Travis as Commander Long in a similar fashion to a well known secret agent who goes by the moniker of Commander Bond?

And will Travis have to start introducing himself as 'Long, Travis Long'?

No, Travis is more a David Cornwell sort of spook rather than a Sidney Reilly.
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Re: [SPOILER!!]A question to "A call to vengeance"
Post by Bluesqueak   » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:51 pm

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A thought that occurs to me as I reread the first two books ... do we definitively know that Travis is not Gavin's heir and the next in line for the Barony?

The other possibility, given the hint in the main series that Winterfell later becomes a Dukedom, is that Gavin is a Duchairn in waiting. Or a future Prime Minister. Or both. :)
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