Guns, Guns Guns

The E wrote:

Zakharra wrote: The BLM crowd also ignores the biggest killer of blacks. Other blacks. It is sad that blacks kill each other at a much higher rate than anyone else. The number of blacks shot by police pales in comparison to blacks shot by other blacks, but what do the BLM groups protect? Police shootings of blacks.

Two small things I would like you to explain to me:

1. As we all know, open carry is a thing you guys are very proud of. Same as concealed carry. How safe is it for a law-abiding black person to practice either? How likely is it for the NRA to support the civil rights of a black person who gets in trouble due to practicing either?

2. Funny story time: Recently, Nintendo released a game called Pokemon Go. Unlike previous Pokemon games, this one runs on smartphones; the idea is that this is an ARG (augmented reality game) where players collect new Pokemon by being in the right GPS coordinates at the right time. Experience with other, similarly designed ARGs like Ingress shows that this leads to people being encouraged to wander around quite a bit (There are stories of Ingress players travelling to Antarctica for it). Please estimate how safe it is for black people to play it.

1. I think it is safe for a black person to carry. Obviously the odds of a black being shot by police is higher, but the odds of anyone being shot by police are not that high. Despite what the news media and BLM people imply. I personally have no issue with any American adult carrying a firearm.

Why would the NRA not support their civil rights? It's not a racist organization. The NRA supports all Americans 2nd Amendment right. If a black person, or any person really, is legal to carry, openly or concealed, the NRA will support their right to do so in public.

2. I know very little about Pokemon geocaching. I fail to see why blacks would be in anymore danger than anyone else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression I am getting from your question seems to be that you think blacks are almost hunted down and shot in the US. That simply is not the case. Yes there are some people who have problems with blacks because they are blacks, but those kinds of racists aren't the majority by any means.

Zakharra wrote: 1. I think it is safe for a black person to carry. Obviously the odds of a black being shot by police is higher, but the odds of anyone being shot by police are not that high. Despite what the news media and BLM people imply. I personally have no issue with any American adult carrying a firearm.

So given that the odds of getting shot by police (or getting the police called on you) are higher, it is not as safe for a black person to carry as it would be for a white person.

Why would the NRA not support their civil rights? It's not a racist organization. The NRA supports all Americans 2nd Amendment right. If a black person, or any person really, is legal to carry, openly or concealed, the NRA will support their right to do so in public.

Then why isn't it doing so? In case you were unaware, this exact case (black person with concealed carry license was stopped in traffic, informed the police officer that he was carrying, then got shot for the crime of not being in any way threatening) just happened. The NRA, quick as it is to defend gun owners from the depredations of state authority at other times, was strangely silent on the matter.

2. I know very little about Pokemon geocaching. I fail to see why blacks would be in anymore danger than anyone else.

Here, have a black person's perspective on the matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression I am getting from your question seems to be that you think blacks are almost hunted down and shot in the US. That simply is not the case. Yes there are some people who have problems with blacks because they are blacks, but those kinds of racists aren't the majority by any means.

There are many, many studies on the matter of institutional biases against non-whites in police forces. Black people are seen with a higher degree of suspicion in the public, the media is doing their best to paint black victims of police overreaction as deserving of said reaction (just compare the kinds of pictures used to illustrate such occurrences: White people get photos off instagram or facebook, showing them as normal, blacks get mug shots).

Finally, ponder this and its associated blog post.

Sorry to nitpick, but it is ironic when discussing the exact meaning of a word to misuse another word. Wall St worships profit, religious people listen to so called prophets.

MAD-4A wrote:

Annachie wrote:You do know that Allah is the arabic word for God don't you

Actually it translates to "The God", and is intended to indicate "The Jewish God of Abraham" but the term is linked in the "5 pillars of Islam", in the Koran, as being "The God" for whom "Mohammad is his profit". thus separating the Islamic "The God" which does not recognize Jesus as "the son of God" from the Christian "The God" who does not recognize "Mohammad is his profit". in-fact the Bible ends with "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" which would prohibit the adding of the latter teaching from Mohammad and he is thus NOT the profit of the Christian "The God" despite claims of both to worship "The God of Abraham".

Annachie wrote:Nothing in the second trumps article V, ergo amendments using the article V methods can amend the second.
If a government wants to make a law unamendable, they tend to throw them in free trade agreements.

Tensh, you really should leave enough of the quote so we can identify what quote you are responding too. Even the first couple of words will do.

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Eh, sorry if i didn´t, i try to make it as obvious as i can.
I usually break up and reply to posts in relevant parts and try to include all of the relevant quote for each part.

IF however you´re talking about my reply to mr MAD, then you should remember that it was HIM that cut away all the words, i just quoted him. Otherwise i would have to go back and find MY OWN previous post and requote from that.

Zakharra wrote:As if it, you are trying to use the actions of a very VERY tiny percentage of the US population and gun owners as a reason to restrict/remove the rights of every American. There are over 100 million firearms owners in the US. The vast VAST majority of them are safe and sane with their firearms. Yes there are occasional accidents, but that's true with -everything-. The number of people killed by firearms in the US is absurdly, laughably minuscule. About 30,000-35,000 out of a population of 330,000,000. That's three hundred and thirty million. 35,000 is 1% of 1% (.01 I believe) of 330,000,000. More people die in automobile accidents than are shot.

Seriously, please tell me you´re joking...

That is not a "laughably minuscule" amount!

USA has about 10-12 gunrelated deaths per year per 100.000 people.
Sweden has 1.47, around 1/8th of USA.
UK has 0.23.
Germany 1.01.
USA has 112 guns per 100 people.
Sweden has 31.6 around 1/4 of USA.
UK has 6.6.
Germany 30.3.

And by the way, the year the Swedish gunrelated death numbers are from are actually unusually HIGH.
IIRC, the more "normal" is closer to 1, so ending up roughly similar to Germany both in gun ownership normal and gunrelated deaths.
Which is 1/10th the deaths with about 1/4 the number of guns per capita.


And it is an even smaller portion of the population here(and in Germany and UK) that cause gunrelated deaths and crimes than in USA.

sport shooting (very popular for all types of firearms), hunting (popular and necessary in many places for obtaining food and pest control), and collecting (popular and expensive).

Yes, both me and my friend have been shooting for sport for years, and my friend recently got himself a hunting license as he is preparing for a hiking trip to Svalbard, where it is in fact illegal to NOT be armed.
He´s also considering some potential objects for a collection(but he needs a new computer first damnit!).

So all the shouts about banning, again as i´ve said before, i´m totally against banning.
But i DO want safety to be enforced.
A nonoptional and halfdecent gun safety class for buyers combined with a gun safe would in a decade or two probably start reducing gundeaths in USA by a fair amount.

Add actual enforcement of already existing laws that are supposed to prevent criminals and insane from easy purchases of guns, and you should get a BIG change much faster.

Well the Racist bigots in the White House (Obama and his wife) are all worried about Blacks shot by white people and cops continuing to stir up racial hate and divisiveness. Well here are the Statistics from last year Note Whites have more to fear from blacks or the Police than blacks have to fear from whites and the police combined:



With Black Culture revering criminals and being a Gangster is it any wonder they are killing each other?

Poker

To quote Bob Dylan "If you ain't got nothin, you've got nothin to lose".
Many years ago I worked for a time in a job that involved picking up hire purchase payments from about 100 people a day. One of the selection criteria was that you had to own your own home.
I wonder how many of the blacks who assault other blacks have good careers and their own home? If over many previous generations they had had the same opportunities as the whites in their communities, and were now successful middle class I doubt they would risk it by behaving badly.

pokermind wrote:Well the Racist bigots in the White House (Obama and his wife) are all worried about Blacks shot by white people and cops continuing to stir up racial hate and divisiveness. Well here are the Statistics from last year Note Whites have more to fear from blacks or the Police than blacks have to fear from whites and the police combined:

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With Black Culture revering criminals and being a Gangster is it any wonder they are killing each other?

Poker

I might be misunderstanding the graphic, because the percentages added up to 200% at first glance.

If I have it correct, it says of all the whites killed, 81% were killed by non-whites, 16% by whites and 3% by police (ethnicity ignored).
Of all the blacks killed, 97% were killed by other blacks (uncertain if that means non-white or black specifically), 2% by whites (uncertain if that means non-black or just Caucasian) and 1% by police.

However, those percentages are purely from San Francisco and therefore have very little bearing on places like Dallas or New York.
It would be quite interesting to see a map of the USA with the percentages overlaid on each state... and their political leanings.
Just for comparison purposes...

pokermind wrote:Well the Racist bigots in the White House (Obama and his wife) are all worried about Blacks shot by white people and cops continuing to stir up racial hate and divisiveness. Well here are the Statistics from last year Note Whites have more to fear from blacks or the Police than blacks have to fear from whites and the police combined:



With Black Culture revering criminals and being a Gangster is it any wonder they are killing each other?

Poker

Poker, with all due respect, but you should get better sources for your arguments than Donald Trump's twitter account. In case you didn't know the guy lies about everything.

So let's get some actual statistics in here. Ones that can be sourced and verified.

So, according to the FBI, that "Blacks killed by Whites"? Should be 8%, instead of 2. Blacks killed by Blacks? 90%, not 97%. Whites killed by Whites? 82%, not 16. Whites killed by Blacks? 15%, not 81%.

The only thing in that picture of yours that is close to accurate is the black on black stat, everything else is massively overexaggerated. But then, it's not like you actually care about truth when you can make an argument that just feels right to you, does it?

So, what do the actual statistics tell us? Nothing new, as it turns out. People who kill others tend to do so within their own communities; "crossover" events (black-on-white and vice versa) are not the default.

Now for the "killed by police" numbers. They, too, are off by a factor of around 4 in absolute terms, and in relative terms, the actual ratio of whites killed by police versus blacks killed by police is somewhere between 1.5 and 2 to 1 (i.e. For every black person killed by police, anywhere between 1.5 and 2 white people are killed).

At this point, you might be inclined to say "Hah! Got you! If twice as many whites are killed for every black person, then BLM really has no leg to stand on!".
Please keep that inclination for yourself, and look at the demographics of the US again, because you apparently were asleep when that came up before. Black people make up 12%, or just about an 8th, of the US population. That they account for almost a third of all police shootings is a significant anomaly.

Oh, and Michael: This image has nothing to do with the San Francisco Crime Statistics Bureau. Mainly because there is no bureau like that. It can be traced back to a Twitter user who seems to be british and who calls himself "A detester of any kind of sick perverted dildo waving marxism and liberalism,we Should have listened to the Austrian chap with the little moustache." (Spelling idiosyncracies copied verbatim). He also uses the emblem of the German Faith Movement, a genuine Nazi religious movement, as his user picture.

So yeah. If everyone could just get into the habit of checking your goddamn sources like an adult, that would be much appreciated.

The E,

I agree with you correction of Poker's post. Blacks are an eighth of the population, yet commit half of all US homicides. This argues that they have more than 4 times the encounters likely spark violence per capita and so more than 4 times as likely to be killed by police. The actual number is half of that or 2 times as likely.

Whites are 7 times the representation of blacks in the US population but commit 45% of the homicides. They are responsible for fewer possible violent encounters yet are killed by the police up to twice as often.

Expanding the types of encounters police have will only show that blacks encounter the police much more often but are killed in a much lower percentage of those encounters than whites.

Police brutality is not race based as BLM would have you believe.