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Not sure what you are referring to Spacekiwi. Based on the current population and the total patents issued contained in the links, NZ doesn't come close.

Ok Peter, one final point.
A recent study into the patent system in Australia found that more Australian patents are being filed in the US patent system than the Australian one because it's more favorable.

If that trend is widespread, and there's no reason to think it isn't, that screws the numbers a lot.

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The core of this discussion is that the US is apparently different to all developed nations in that "US citizens alone possess individual sovereignty protected by the second amendment, and this makes them freer plus more innovative than any other nationalities."

Just not true. Every nation has its quirks and differences, the Greeks believe themselves to be free of the need to pay taxes, Australians believe we are rugged individualists living in the vast outback (not so); repeating a national myth a thousand times doesn't make it true.
Citizens of modern democracies all essentually live under similar rules, with some minor differences. I'm somewhat offended by the assertion that I'm less free than someone in Ohio.

Hey peter.

Not your links but my link, which was studying innovation and creativity of populations, and which country best met the overall potential afforded by various factors including R&D investment et al, and found that the US and NZ met 95% of their full potential for innovation, and Australia met 97% of their full potential for innovation.

PeterZ wrote:Not sure what you are referring to Spacekiwi. Based on the current population and the total patents issued contained in the links, NZ doesn't come close.

PeterZ wrote:http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/cst_all.htm

Daryl,

I am not implying there are no innovative people elsewhere. There are. Most of the most innovative in the US had been immigrants. My point is that our weird way of thinking is fundamental to the environment where the US has been granted more patents since 1977 than any other country. This mindset isn't just in the religious right. Even our PC liberals are less enamored with conventional wisdom.

That independent mind set is fundamental to the US. We tend to be a stubborn and cantankerous lot. All of which add up to being measurably more innovative than anywhere else. We are 5%(?) of the population yet produce more than half of all patents. This is a fact.

This fact is driven by that belief in individual sovereignty. Some identify the Second Amendment as the symbol of that sovereignty. Other identify other symbols. Bottom line is that Americans don't accept constraints and limitations nearly as well as the rest of the world.

"that is a fact", lol.

Not really no. Because anyone taking out a patent elsewhere, nearly always have to do it in USA as well, otherwise the wonderful corporate pirates in USA will do everything to steal any halfdecent patent, and make sure any trouble ends up in a US court, so that anyone with a "useless/worthless" foreign patent is unable to defend their patents properly.

I know people here who even chooses to place patents ONLY in USA, in part because you can get away with insane stunts, like claiming stuff that is impossible or even common tech already. I´ve seen an estimate that out of USAs patents, about half are from foreigners, and at least 10-15% are jokes, intentional and not.


And a massive amount of US patents trace back in history to the tech transfers from UK to USA during WWII. Radar, radio, computers, nuclear energy and weapons, automatic cannons, mechanics, all based on British stuff that USA got for free and then demanded UK to pay off wardebts while profiting.
Oh, and then there´s the rocketry, aerodynamics, optics, chemistry, metallurgy, machine tools etc stolen from Germany after WWII, along with scientists, a large portion of whom were no more happy to "emigrate" than those picked up forcibly by USSR.

In 1938, USA was mostly far behind in technology(massproduction was the one exception), and it didn´t fix that by being inventive.

But it was an Australian who patented the Wheel!
It looks like it was to set up a legal stunt in the US court system, but it still currently stands.



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If I ever won a lotto (I do not play!) or I was set to retire, I believe this type of town I would retire to.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/02/new-sign-in-small-idaho-town-warns-visitors-this-is-not-a-gun-free-zone/

Along this note, I was reading where a small town man had won a nice lotto. He said that the lotto had ruined his life. One, I would move to community to where I was unknown. Two, noone would know I had money. Three, I would have some type of job that would be full time! The reason for a full time job is Man as species needs someing to occupy his or her time. (I am not motivated individual if my needs are satisfied.) Therefore the need for some type of full time job that would satisfy my current lifestyle.

smr wrote:If I ever won a lotto (I do not play!) or I was set to retire, I believe this type of town I would retire to.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/02/new-sign-in-small-idaho-town-warns-visitors-this-is-not-a-gun-free-zone/

Along this note, I was reading where a small town man had won a nice lotto. He said that the lotto had ruined his life. One, I would move to community to where I was unknown. Two, noone would know I had money. Three, I would have some type of job that would be full time! The reason for a full time job is Man as species needs someing to occupy his or her time. (I am not motivated individual if my needs are satisfied.) Therefore the need for some type of full time job that would satisfy my current lifestyle.

Research first. IIRC

The USA lottery returns around an average OF -50 %.

USA casinos average around -5%.

USA index funds average around +10% By studying details, it is possible to improve on the last.

Not counting the work, which comes under needed exercise, my garden has a great payback, as long as we keep it small enough to not need to sell. Solar heat is paying back at around 15%.

We live in a NDak small town, and most expenses here are quite low. We do a little part time work to bring in a bit of cash, and fill time with gardening, preserving, and researching the stock market, which is profitable now. Given what it cost to learn, I may not earn it all back.

Despite the fact that more than 90-percent of mass killings take place in spaces where firearms are prohibited by law (so-called “gun free zones”), these people continue to cling to the proven-false belief that a sign outside a doorway or a paper statute will magically protect them from bombs or bullets.

We have quite a few hunters here, there isn't much fear of guns.

A recent study in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy entitled “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?” looked at firearms prevalence and violence in countries around the world. The authors found that gun bans are ineffective because they do not affect the socio-cultural and economic factors that are the real determinants of violent crime rates. Their study concludes:

[T]he burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra. To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.

Also:

“The American people expect their leaders to do everything in our power to keep them safe,” Shelby said. “Unfortunately, President Obama has used his executive clemency initiative to reduce the sentences of a total of 33 individuals who were convicted of firearm-related offenses to date.

While the Obama administration is working to reduce the number of citizens who own guns


Worth Reading: "The Gunpowder Age" by Tonio Andrade

One of the few things our United States Federal Government is supposed to do is to provide for the national defense.

Our 50 States have their own government. There job is to provide the few things not provided by the Federal Government.

Then we have County Government. They are supposed to provide essential services not provided by the two already mentioned.

Then we have our local town government. Not much to do at all. What about protecting the individual citizen from all harm?

Our Courts have ruled many times that any government or agency only has the duty to protect the general population. Not the one.

Not the individual. So, who protects you and me? Individually? The answer is yourself. How much protection do you need?

Enough to keep from harm. Our nation has a rich history of the rugged individual. The Wild Wild West and so forth. Most true.

Out here in SW OR USA (about 43N, 123W) we have no local law enforcement. As a result most of us carry personal weapons.

Some carry big knives. Very lethal up close. Some carry handguns. Do not bring a knife to a gun fight. Guns are good.

Lots of us carry REAL assault rifles in our vehicles locked up. Quick access. WHY? Because we need them. Wild Wild West.

This is a rare thing inside the USA. Does not signify elsewhere worldwide. This is our situation. Natural law. Feels good.

Now you know a little bit more. All Oregon, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. This means all this stuff is legal for us.

HB of CJ wrote:One of the few things our United States Federal Government is supposed to do is to provide for the national defense.

Our 50 States have their own government. There job is to provide the few things not provided by the Federal Government.

Then we have County Government. They are supposed to provide essential services not provided by the two already mentioned.

Then we have our local town government. Not much to do at all. What about protecting the individual citizen from all harm?

Our Courts have ruled many times that any government or agency only has the duty to protect the general population. Not the one.

Not the individual. So, who protects you and me? Individually? The answer is yourself. How much protection do you need?

Enough to keep from harm. Our nation has a rich history of the rugged individual. The Wild Wild West and so forth. Most true.

Out here in SW OR USA (about 43N, 123W) we have no local law enforcement. As a result most of us carry personal weapons.

Some carry big knives. Very lethal up close. Some carry handguns. Do not bring a knife to a gun fight. Guns are good.

Lots of us carry REAL assault rifles in our vehicles locked up. Quick access. WHY? Because we need them. Wild Wild West.

This is a rare thing inside the USA. Does not signify elsewhere worldwide. This is our situation. Natural law. Feels good.

Now you know a little bit more. All Oregon, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. This means all this stuff is legal for us.

Selfdelusion isn´t very pretty, no matter how much you dress it up and put lipstick on it.