Guns, Guns Guns

If there's one thing I have noticed about the far right wing everywhere, it's that complete lack of a belief in civic responsibility.



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Funny, those that believe in intrusive government are the ones abrogating their civic responsibility by ceding responsibility to agents in government. They let their surrogates make the difficult moral choices.

Annachie wrote:If there's one thing I have noticed about the far right wing everywhere, it's that complete lack of a belief in civic responsibility.



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It's even funnier when the conservative try to claim they're for small, less intrusive government then try to legislate their personal religious beliefs on everyone else. To quote Josh Lyman from the West Wing, “I like you guys that want to reduce the size of government, make it just small enough so it can fit in our bedrooms.” (The West Wing: Season 2, Episode 7, "The Portland Trip"; written by Aaron Sorkin and story by Paul Redford)

PeterZ wrote:Funny, those that believe in intrusive government are the ones abrogating their civic responsibility by ceding responsibility to agents in government. They let their surrogates make the difficult moral choices.

Annachie wrote:If there's one thing I have noticed about the far right wing everywhere, it's that complete lack of a belief in civic responsibility.



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Sure would be funny if it wasn't mostly progressive wishful thinking.

Donnachaidh wrote:It's even funnier when the conservative try to claim they're for small, less intrusive government then try to legislate their personal religious beliefs on everyone else. To quote Josh Lyman from the West Wing, “I like you guys that want to reduce the size of government, make it just small enough so it can fit in our bedrooms.” (The West Wing: Season 2, Episode 7, "The Portland Trip"; written by Aaron Sorkin and story by Paul Redford)

PeterZ wrote:Funny, those that believe in intrusive government are the ones abrogating their civic responsibility by ceding responsibility to agents in government. They let their surrogates make the difficult moral choices.

Which thing would be funny; the laws dictating which sex acts between consenting adults are legal or the ones banning sex toys or the ones banning any same sex relationship? The justification used for almost all of those laws was the Bible.

PeterZ wrote:Sure would be funny if it wasn't mostly progressive wishful thinking.

Donnachaidh wrote:It's even funnier when the conservative try to claim they're for small, less intrusive government then try to legislate their personal religious beliefs on everyone else. To quote Josh Lyman from the West Wing, “I like you guys that want to reduce the size of government, make it just small enough so it can fit in our bedrooms.” (The West Wing: Season 2, Episode 7, "The Portland Trip"; written by Aaron Sorkin and story by Paul Redford)

Donnachaidh wrote:It's even funnier when the conservative try to claim they're for small, less intrusive government then try to legislate their personal religious beliefs on everyone else.

And don't forget conservatives who want to add religious content to science education or who wish to outlaw particular religions (like Islam).

For all the right-wing harping on progressives trying to use legislative force to enforce progressive views on people, they sure aren't squeamish when it comes to enforcing their own views if they have the chance.

PeterZ this Aussie apologises for the words you considered to be insulting, not my intention.

My intention wasn't to insult or to change you, but to inform you and others about how others in the developed world regard the creed of how having guns to change government policy is seen to be patriotic.

I still can't get it though. Not in any way trying to be insulting but I'd like to put up two scenarios for consideration.

If a current militia was to (do a Bundy) go armed in public to forcibly influence government policy in regard to health care/creationism/gun laws; then they would be considerred to be patriotic?
Then for a comparison, if a muslim group decided to call themselves a militia, armed themselves and went armed in public to forcibly influence government policy in regard to religious tolerance/equal time in schools to christians/whastever; then would they be considered to be patriotic?

I would suggest that if a group of muslim Americans turned up armed and took over government buildings there would be an instant antiterrorism response and bloodshed.

Correct me if I am wrong Daryl, you own firearms. Does not that make you hypocrite for tellings others whether we should own weapons. Feel free to sell your firearms and lead by example. You do not need the self-defense protection that a firearm provide because noone would harm you in Australia.

People are the products of their environment and life experiences. I feel the need to own a firearm for variety of reasons. The first and most important reason is self-defense. My wife has been stalked and threatened by individual. She goes nowhere without her pistol. One of my jobs is to protect my family. Generally, the police show up after the fact not during! All this talk of how the civilized world views the US can go out the door because frankly what right do you have to impose your views on other countries or the US. Provided that the person is legally sane and competent, let them choose to own a firearm or not.

Let's take the militia, I have never met anyone in my life that is in the militia. Has anyone else? Hmm...what a convienent label or should I say propaganda. I would bet quite a bit of my money that a thousand random people do not know anyone in a militia. Feel free to take a honest poll and see whether that's true or not. I bet I can find 8 crazy people in your country. Let's look at this issue even further. The FBI in overhelming force shot and killed the leader. Not once...not twice....but 9 gunshots. Hmm....sounds supsicious.....could they just tasered the guy. I know they could have surrounded the lodge in the middle of nowhere and waited them out. No food or water allowed in will eventually cause them to rethink their positions.

Daryl wrote:PeterZ this Aussie apologises for the words you considered to be insulting, not my intention.

My intention wasn't to insult or to change you, but to inform you and others about how others in the developed world regard the creed of how having guns to change government policy is seen to be patriotic.

I still can't get it though. Not in any way trying to be insulting but I'd like to put up two scenarios for consideration.

If a current militia was to (do a Bundy) go armed in public to forcibly influence government policy in regard to health care/creationism/gun laws; then they would be considerred to be patriotic?
Then for a comparison, if a muslim group decided to call themselves a militia, armed themselves and went armed in public to forcibly influence government policy in regard to religious tolerance/equal time in schools to christians/whastever; then would they be considered to be patriotic?

I would suggest that if a group of muslim Americans turned up armed and took over government buildings there would be an instant antiterrorism response and bloodshed.

Has not Germany quit taking in Muslim refugees. I know they like their women getting raped or felt up in Cologne. They just put out a brochure that's wrong to touch a woman. Newsflash: they want the benefits of your country but the majority of the Muslims do not want to assimilate within the German culture. Have fun dealing with that issue. What happens when they start demanding Sharia laws and Muslim courts or when they start their bombings of public places? I know you will defend the nation with your hands because you have banned firearms. The new Muslim freedom fighters of Germany will just kill you with their firearms because they choose to ignore the laws of Germany. Just look at France...that's you in a few years! I know I am just showing my religious bigotry and intolerance. but just look at where France is headed, Germany is headed down the same road and path.

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Donnachaidh wrote:It's even funnier when the conservative try to claim they're for small, less intrusive government then try to legislate their personal religious beliefs on everyone else.

And don't forget conservatives who want to add religious content to science education or who wish to outlaw particular religions (like Islam).

For all the right-wing harping on progressives trying to use legislative force to enforce progressive views on people, they sure aren't squeamish when it comes to enforcing their own views if they have the chance.

Smr, when have I ever said anything about you or yours owning weapons? I may well do so in one aspect now though. If your wife has a pistol I do hope she is trained in its use and in combat generally, plus maintains that training. If not she is less safe with than without. A pistol doesn't come with a force field. If you display it an armed assailant then feels threatened and shoots first.

Anyway back to what I was on about. It wasn't about gun ownership but about the belief that armed insurrection was patriotic. The potential use of this by an armed militia is part of that 2nd amendment ethos.

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Just read your comment to the E. Racist, ignorant and offensive bullshit. As with other creeds the vast majority of muslims are decent people who just want to live peacefully. Incidentally France has banned the burqua,has the US? They have things well in hand.