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Happens here as well. I remember being in an outback town when my aboriginal boss rejoined me puzzled that there must be something on as all the motels were booked out. I went and booked two rooms easily and the proprietor was shocked when we both turned up later.

In an other case a grazier (rancher) friend talked about hiring a stockman sight unseen, when the man and family arrived from the other side of the continent they were told the job had gone. As he said "Hell if I'd known he was a bong (n*** word), I'd never have asked him to come".

Some positive discrimination is needed to offset such things to ensure a level playing field.

It's not just bleeding heart stuff, if you have a minority that is illtreated you eventually get gangs and no go areas, along with big welfare bills.

Hmm, gcomeau, let me get this straight, to combat the evil of discrimination by law (Jim Crow) we must accept the evil of discrimination by law (Reverse discrimination). Unfortunately I believe discrimination by law is evil, any thing other than equal treatment is evil.

To quote you "You can't possibly be this clueless... you just can't. My brain refuses to process it, I think out of self defense for the last vestiges of my positive impressions of humanity..."

There is no excuse for discrimination!

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pokermind wrote:Hmm, gcomeau, let me get this straight, to combat the evil of discrimination by law (Jim Crow) we must accept the evil of discrimination by law (Reverse discrimination).

Enforcing equal treatment is NOT "reverse discrimination". Unless by "reverse discrimination" you mean "the opposite of discrimination".

Loss of privileged status is not persecution.

Grow up.

How is what you describe positive or reverse discrimination? The hotel owner discriminated against your friend. I assume that's illegal and rightfully so. If the law mandated a lower rate for your friend or allowed your friend to evict a white customer so that he could have the room, that would be reverse discrimination.

Daryl wrote:Happens here as well. I remember being in an outback town when my aboriginal boss rejoined me puzzled that there must be something on as all the motels were booked out. I went and booked two rooms easily and the proprietor was shocked when we both turned up later.

In an other case a grazier (rancher) friend talked about hiring a stockman sight unseen, when the man and family arrived from the other side of the continent they were told the job had gone. As he said "Hell if I'd known he was a bong (n*** word), I'd never have asked him to come".

Some positive discrimination is needed to offset such things to ensure a level playing field.

It's not just bleeding heart stuff, if you have a minority that is illtreated you eventually get gangs and no go areas, along with big welfare bills.

PeterZ wrote:How is what you describe positive or reverse discrimination? The hotel owner discriminated against your friend. I assume that's illegal and rightfully so. If the law mandated a lower rate for your friend or allowed your friend to evict a white customer so that he could have the room, that would be reverse discrimination.

I don't think he was trying to describe "reverse discrimination". I think he was describing a situation in which a little "positive discrimination" (a.k.a. enforcing equal treatment by stopping negative discrimination... calling it 'positive discrimination is just bizarre) was called for in order to ensure a just outcome.

Please describe how positive discrimination would help here? The man acted illegally and should be punished. Punct schloss!

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:How is what you describe positive or reverse discrimination? The hotel owner discriminated against your friend. I assume that's illegal and rightfully so. If the law mandated a lower rate for your friend or allowed your friend to evict a white customer so that he could have the room, that would be reverse discrimination.

I don't think he was trying to describe "reverse discrimination". I think he was describing a situation in which a little "positive discrimination" (a.k.a. enforcing equal treatment by stopping negative discrimination... calling it 'positive discrimination is just bizarre) was called for in order to ensure a just outcome.

PeterZ wrote:Please describe how positive discrimination would help here? The man acted illegally and should be punished. Punct schloss!

gcomeau wrote:I don't think he was trying to describe "reverse discrimination". I think he was describing a situation in which a little "positive discrimination" (a.k.a. enforcing equal treatment by stopping negative discrimination... calling it 'positive discrimination is just bizarre) was called for in order to ensure a just outcome.

I think you're still misreading me. To repeat, calling what is called for here "positive discrimination" is weird and silly.

What is needed is enforcement of equal treatment. As in, the law acting to do so.

That is being referred to as "positive discrimination" or "reverse discrimination" by some parties in this thread. In some cases to dishonestly attempt to discredit or condemn it, in others I think just in a poor choice of descriptors.

For the sake of clarity, let me define reverse discrimination. Reverse discrimination affords a protected group legal benefits unavailable to any other group. Regardless of the historical reasons for implementing this, it does not help.

Case in point. My daughter placed within the top 1% of the population in her ACT and carries an unweighted 3.91/4.00 GPA at the best high school in our state. She takes honors and AP classes exclusively. She'll need those credentials because we identify as primarily Asian. That means every school she applies to will set her criteria for admission higher than an applicant of ANY other ethnicity.

That is reverse discrimination. Is it her fault that caucasians are so intellectually impotent? No! Should she claim to be of another of our ethnic backgrounds to game the system? No, she says. Lord, did her response make me proud of her! She demands to be judged by the content of her character and achievement, NOT the Color of her skin

gcomeau wrote:

pokermind wrote:Hmm, gcomeau, let me get this straight, to combat the evil of discrimination by law (Jim Crow) we must accept the evil of discrimination by law (Reverse discrimination).

Enforcing equal treatment is NOT "reverse discrimination". Unless by "reverse discrimination" you mean "the opposite of discrimination".

Loss of privileged status is not persecution.

Grow up.

When a less qualified job applicant is hired because of race, sex, religion or nationality, that is discrimination. When I am scored differently on the same test because I am not "one of them", that is discrimination, and I am opposed to it. Fifty years of "affimative action" is enough and more than enough! It is past time for the professional victim class to stop whining and start working.

My family is from Michigan - always a free state. We were Republicans since there have been Republicans. We voted for President Lincoln, and some of my ancestors served in the Union Army. None of them ever kept slaves. None of it is my fault and I refuse to pay for the sins of people I'm not even related to in states hundreds of miles away a century before I was born. For that, they call me a "racist" and claim that I'm "holdin' dem po' folks down" because I took the trouble to acquire useful knowledge and skills, get a job and save up some money, and they didn't.
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If you want to learn, the worst schools and teachers in the world can't stop you. If you don't want to learn, the best can't help you.

No such thing as reverse discrimination. Discrimination is not automatically bad, for example you would hope that your teenage daughter discriminated between boyfriends to exclude the unemployed tattooed dope heads from consideration.

My true anecdotal examples were ones that I selected from many to illustrate how people from minorities can find it harder to get through life than someone like me (white, male, tall, private school accent, parents encouraged education and career ambition, etc). Now if a bright and ambitious person from a minority group wants to get ahead they often can, but it is much harder particularly at the start.
As an aboriginal elder said to me once, he didn't want specific aboriginal action programs (as that was racist), but the same programs to be available to any disadvantaged people that would benefit. He then laughed and said "Bet you though that most would be Murries (their acceptable term for their group) anyway".

As I said before society does need to do something to break multigenerational cycles of poverty and alienation for its own good. How many potential physicists are lost to despair and join gangs instead of contributing to society?