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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by kzt   » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:19 pm

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Bill Woods wrote:They're on the other end a wormhole, but not Mesa's wormhole. We still don't know where Mannerheim is or how long to takes to get there.

Oops. Yes, Mesa connects directly to Visigoth. Which is another anti-slavery member to be of the RF.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by SWM   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:04 am

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SharkHunter wrote:
Kizarvexis wrote:I had an evil thought. The Republic of Mannerheim has one of the larger SDFs. RoM is a part of the MAlign. What if Detweiler sent the RMN (Rep. of Mannerheim Navy) to secure the MESA system due to the undeclared terrorist war by the Audubon Ballroom. The RMN convinces the Mesan government to declare a cease fire while coming into orbit or else. Since interstellar law has that once a fleet holds the orbitals, the planet is required to surrender or suffer KEW strikes. The Mesan government has first hand experience with those, so surrenders. Then the RMN can make sure that nothing got left behind while securing the evidence of the atrocities of the Ballroom.
Commented on another thread, but a) how is the Mannerheim SDF supposed to have known in time to arrive (travel time to/from besides the wormholes), and b)if it was the MSDF, why would General Drescher ask for Palane to offer a cease fire? vs. Helen Zilwicki and Michael Oversteegen who have both met Thandi and have a proprietary reason for keeping her alive? aka Berry Zilwicki, Queen of Torch.

Bottom line for me: 10th Fleet captured Mesa.

Um, Mesa knew that Palane, Zilwicki, and Cachat were inside the tower. The word had spread all through the Seccie sectors, and the information had also gotten to the Mesan Government. The rumor that the great Palane, who had a huge reputation among the slaves and seccies, was actually on Mesa fighting for them was huge news. In fact, the rebels used her reputation to boost the morale of the rebel forces and attract more seccie sectors into rebellion. Drescher did not get the information from whoever just came into the system--the Mesan government had known for weeks.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by Kizarvexis   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:24 am

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Bill Woods wrote: They're on the other end a wormhole, but not Mesa's wormhole. We still don't know where Mannerheim is or how long to takes to get there.

It's a disaster, but most people people on Mannerheim are going to be saying, "it isn't our disaster! When the whole League is about to go up in flames, why are we sending our fleet off to get involved in this?"


Exactly why. It's a disaster. The League government is screwing up with Manticore. Manticore is supporting Ballroom terrorists killing innocent Mesan civilians. While Manpower is bad, the poor citizens of Mesa are being killed by Manticoran supported terrorists. Lets step in and stop the bloodshed and show the League government how you lead.

And it is the next step for saying we can lead and the League can't, so lets take in planets to protect them.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by Bill Woods   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:14 pm

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SWM wrote:Um, Mesa knew that Palane, Zilwicki, and Cachat were inside the tower. The word had spread all through the Seccie sectors, and the information had also gotten to the Mesan Government. The rumor that the great Palane, who had a huge reputation among the slaves and seccies, was actually on Mesa fighting for them was huge news. In fact, the rebels used her reputation to boost the morale of the rebel forces and attract more seccie sectors into rebellion. Drescher did not get the information from whoever just came into the system--the Mesan government had known for weeks.

Palane, yes, but I don't recall any mention of the dynamic duo. It's a couple of gang leaders who're talked about.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by SharkHunter   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:03 pm

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SWM wrote:
Kizarvexis wrote:I had an evil thought. The Republic of Mannerheim has one of the larger SDFs. RoM is a part of the MAlign. What if Detweiler sent the RMN (Rep. of Mannerheim Navy) to secure the MESA system due to the undeclared terrorist war by the Audubon Ballroom. The RMN convinces the Mesan government to declare a cease fire while coming into orbit or else. Since interstellar law has that once a fleet holds the orbitals, the planet is required to surrender or suffer KEW strikes. The Mesan government has first hand experience with those, so surrenders. Then the RMN can make sure that nothing got left behind while securing the evidence of the atrocities of the Ballroom.

SharkHunter wrote:Commented on another thread, but a) how is the Mannerheim SDF supposed to have known in time to arrive (travel time to/from besides the wormholes), and b)if it was the MSDF, why would General Drescher ask for Palane to offer a cease fire? vs. Helen Zilwicki and Michael Oversteegen who have both met Thandi and have a proprietary reason for keeping her alive? aka Berry Zilwicki, Queen of Torch.

Bottom line for me: 10th Fleet captured Mesa.

Um, Mesa knew that Palane, Zilwicki, and Cachat were inside the tower. The word had spread all through the Seccie sectors, and the information had also gotten to the Mesan Government. The rumor that the great Palane, who had a huge reputation among the slaves and seccies, was actually on Mesa fighting for them was huge news. In fact, the rebels used her reputation to boost the morale of the rebel forces and attract more seccie sectors into rebellion. Drescher did not get the information from whoever just came into the system--the Mesan government had known for weeks.
Let's say I buy that Mesa for whatever reason got word to the MSDF and said "oh my gosh, those Torchese under Palane and the Ballroom are bombing our planet, come help us! and gee whiz, here they come to save the day! still finding Mesans in charge and essentially in the final/nearly mop up stages against ONE tower. Why bother to stop Drescher's forces from winning the battle before they intervene?

Compare that to her likely response if it's Henke coming as hell's avenging angels to collect on the Yawata Strike dead. AKA drop wedges, lay down weapons, and tell her adversaries (Palane, etc.) that the "fight is over and we're pulling back", and briefly announcing why.

And finally, if you're David and Eric, aka authorial types, what better time to say "to be continued..."
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by kzt   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:17 pm

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Nobody in the RF like Mesa.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by Kizarvexis   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:30 pm

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kzt wrote:Nobody in the RF like Mesa.


No, they don't like genetic slavery. Perfect opportunity to smack genetic slavery by hitting at Manpower, while saving the innocent citizens of Mesa from Manpower and those bloodthirsty Ballroom terrorists.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by JeffEngel   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:36 pm

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Kizarvexis wrote:
kzt wrote:Nobody in the RF like Mesa.


No, they don't like genetic slavery. Perfect opportunity to smack genetic slavery by hitting at Manpower, while saving the innocent citizens of Mesa from Manpower and those bloodthirsty Ballroom terrorists.

And - though it's got to be a teensy, tiny consideration for this lot - securing control of Mesa by an Alignment force, one able to restore/maintain public order there, would be reassuring to those who had to leave family and friends behind with Houdini. They'll be reasonably safe and a weight off the refugees' minds.

Granted, those are all expendable friends and family, and the deeper in the Onion you are, the fewer people you care about were left behind. But it could be a measurable factor in decision-making.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by kzt   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:55 pm

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Whoever came up with this idea, kudos. Never even occurred to me that it could be anyone other than the RMN or IAN.

It's almost certainly not what happened, but still it's very clever.
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Re: Of Mike and Mesa
Post by n7axw   » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:59 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
And - though it's got to be a teensy, tiny consideration for this lot - securing control of Mesa by an Alignment force, one able to restore/maintain public order there, would be reassuring to those who had to leave family and friends behind with Houdini. They'll be reasonably safe and a weight off the refugees' minds.

Granted, those are all expendable friends and family, and the deeper in the Onion you are, the fewer people you care about were left behind. But it could be a measurable factor in decision-making.


I'm curious... We know that Mike is coming although we don't know that she gets there first. With this scenario, what happens when Mike arrives?

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