Honorverse ramblings and musings

I'm curious as to whether treecats were already familiar with the concept and emotion of jealousy before meeting humans.

Do treecats become jealous? Could an empathic species actually know jealousy?

Now that they have tasted it so many times, perhaps they will begin to relate to it.

Nimitz: "I don't like Samantha spends so much time atop Hamish. She looks too happy."

cthia wrote:I'm curious as to whether treecats were already familiar with the concept and emotion of jealousy before meeting humans.

Do treecats become jealous? Could an empathic species actually know jealousy?

Now that they have tasted it so many times, perhaps they will begin to relate to it.

Nimitz: "I don't like Samantha spends so much time atop Hamish. She looks too happy."

Not a chance. One of the definitions of love (from Robert Heinlein, and one that someone here in the forums uses as his signature)

Love is that condition in which the happiness of another is essential to your own

Nimitz would not be jealous of Hamish making Samantha happy. Yes he has undoubtedly felt jealousy, and he probably views those individuals as deeply flawed.

And for those with a slight interest in creating other romantic attachments, though this one would take a long time to work: Foracker and Simoes.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

cthia wrote:I'm curious as to whether treecats were already familiar with the concept and emotion of jealousy before meeting humans.

Do treecats become jealous? Could an empathic species actually know jealousy?

Now that they have tasted it so many times, perhaps they will begin to relate to it.

Nimitz: "I don't like Samantha spends so much time atop Hamish. She looks too happy."

Not a chance. One of the definitions of love (from Robert Heinlein, and one that someone here in the forums uses as his signature)

Love is that condition in which the happiness of another is essential to your own

Nimitz would not be jealous of Hamish making Samantha happy. Yes he has undoubtedly felt jealousy, and he probably views those individuals as deeply flawed.

Undoubtedly, you're correct. I just find it intriguing that a species could be exposed to a virgin emotion. And contemplating possible outcomes in a Prime Directive sort of way.

But the reason I don't think treecats could feel jealousy is directly related to the bond and empathic link altogether. You ever told a girl or were told yourself, "If you could get inside of my heart just for a moment, you'd know the measure of my love for you. And you wouldn't worry about a thing" ?

Swollen egos can occur when humans simply observe unconditional love in another's eyes. Do you remember the effect that had on you the first time you saw it? Imagine being able to actually feel it too.

What thrills must there be in store for lovers who can feed on the certainty and the measure of true love. Perpetual love would ensue. Little wonder that death to one cat means death to both.

The psychology of treecat love is intriguing.

The reality of treecat love is like Romeo and Juliet. Only death will do us part.

Treecats enjoy the kiss of bliss.

SWM wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:What was the first question Nimitz asked Honor once Honor was able to understand treecat sign?

(maybe, Why do you call me stinker?)

"Can you hear me now?"

SWM. I am so sorry I missed this. It Is phucking funny!

About the Kingdom of Torch.

Firstly. The Torch navy is known as the Royal Torch Navy, or RTN. Yet the ships themselves are designated TNS.

TNS seems a bit shortsighted. Torch, taken as an adjective, is fine. Torch, as a verb, then becomes Burn Navy Ship. Seems ships should be designated RTNS or TSN or RSTN.

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Still haven't read Crown of Slaves, and from the very nice passage fallsfromtrees left in the passages thread (thanks 'trees), I need to get on it! Anyways, forgive me if the answer to this question is in that story.

When Torch was formed, I was under the impression that its government wanted to remain neutral to Haven and Manticore. But now that they are Allies, wouldn't that free Torch to also join the alliance? And even look appealing to them? The Torch Navy could then enjoy GA hardware.

--snipping--

cthia wrote:Still haven't read Crown of Slaves, and from the very nice passage fallsfromtrees left in the passages thread (thanks 'trees), I need to get on it! Anyways, forgive me if the answer to this question is in that story.

When Torch was formed, I was under the impression that its government wanted to remain neutral to Haven and Manticore. But now that they are Allies, wouldn't that free Torch to also join the alliance? And even look appealing to them? The Torch Navy could then enjoy GA hardware.

Still haven't read it? Well, we'll give you time off for good behavior and humorous posts, so... nebber mind...

I'm not sure that the GA would put 1st Line tech directly into the hands of the RTN initially, instead they'd put GA ships in the Torch System to fulfill their part of the mutual defense pact which Oversteegen signed on behalf of QEIII and Manticore. I would be very surprised if "offscreen so far" (also known as in an upcoming book or tum tee tum tum) that with Filerata's fleet has been destroyed and Mesa captured, there's not a bigger "mutual defense force" on the way to Torch already and referred to when we get our next installment of the Honorverse according to RFC. AKA he who is in charge of future history.

My thought is that the tech coming out of Erewhon (basically Manti- tech a generation or two back) is superior to anything outside of the GA and the Torchese aren't currently at war with the SLN, yet are too close for comfort and more visible allegiances aka Frontier Fleet raids. Better to appear neutral or more closely allied with erstwhile "friendlies" Maya and Erewhon. jah?

Besides which, the GA/RMN will already do a better job with GA tech than the RTN will be able to manage for the foreseeable future because it is already standard policy to { free the slaves, kill or detain the slavers, destroy their ships, topple corrupt governments supporting genetic slavery } anyway.

Unless a reader thinks that the RTN can topple the MAlign and destroy whatever forces are up the sleeve at Darius all by their lonesomes that is.

cthia wrote:About the Kingdom of Torch.

Firstly. The Torch navy is known as the Royal Torch Navy, or RTN. Yet the ships themselves are designated TNS.

TNS seems a bit shortsighted. Torch, taken as an adjective, is fine. Torch, as a verb, then becomes Burn Navy Ship. Seems ships should be designated RTNS or TSN or RSTN.

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Still haven't read Crown of Slaves, and from the very nice passage fallsfromtrees left in the passages thread (thanks 'trees), I need to get on it! Anyways, forgive me if the answer to this question is in that story.

When Torch was formed, I was under the impression that its government wanted to remain neutral to Haven and Manticore. But now that they are Allies, wouldn't that free Torch to also join the alliance? And even look appealing to them? The Torch Navy could then enjoy GA hardware.

It was supposed to remain neutral with Erewhon as a special neighbor, as well as the Maya sector of the SL. Given that the first frigates the RTN acquired were built by the Hauptman cartel (for the ASL), the head of the naval build up is on loan from Manticore and the Queen's squeeze is from Beowulf, I think it can be taken that there is a close relationship between Torch and Manticore. Of course, the head of the military's squeeze is the Head of Station for the Erewhon/Torch region for Haven, so they also have a close relationship. Theoretically they are at war only with Mesa (and by extension the MAlign). They were certainly represented at the main confab on Manticore with Grayson, Beowulf and Manticore as well. The Andermani were left out at the suggestion of Elizabeth and by their own choice. From this, I assume that they are indeed part of the GA.

fallsfromtrees wrote:They [Torch] were certainly represented at the main confab on Manticore with Grayson, Beowulf and Manticore as well. The Andermani were left out at the suggestion of Elizabeth and by their own choice. From this, I assume that they are indeed part of the GA.

I agree. That meeting was essentially the organizational meeting of the Grand Alliance. The fact that Torch was represented and the Andermani were not means that Torch is a member of the Grand Alliance.

SWM wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:They [Torch] were certainly represented at the main confab on Manticore with Grayson, Beowulf and Manticore as well. The Andermani were left out at the suggestion of Elizabeth and by their own choice. From this, I assume that they are indeed part of the GA.

I agree. That meeting was essentially the organizational meeting of the Grand Alliance. The fact that Torch was represented and the Andermani were not means that Torch is a member of the Grand Alliance.

But not formally? I thought there had to be local government voting and the like. The Star Kingdom couldn't just accept Grayson without the government's support could it? I would think that the GA accepting another member would be even more of a formal ordeal.