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Re: Hubble Videos
Post by sonex   » Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:33 pm

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Louis R wrote:The Big Bang is only a theory?


The theory I'm referring to is that there was nothing, then there was a point source which became a Big Bang, thus starting our universe. Which infers there was nothing, then something, and thus a beginning.

I'm saying that the universe we see has always been here, with no beginning. Infinite in size, mass, energy, etc...

Can you prove otherwise?

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Re: Hubble Videos
Post by sonex   » Fri Aug 05, 2022 1:58 pm

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Louis R wrote:The Big Bang is only a theory?

Of course, so is Universal Gravitation. If you've worked for _any_ part of an aircraft company one would hope you've acquired at least a grudging appreciation of its theoretical character.


I put in 33 years at Douglas/McDonell-Douglas while getting a BA in Math at UCLA, with early two years at Kalamazoo College in Mich... My work was on and with the big scientific computers. starting in late 1957 through 1992. 16 months military service. My work started as a computer operator and progressed to Assistant manager, then to Operating System Software programmer after I graduated from UCLA. Self-taught programmer. My last ten years at work was on a Top-Secret project, and some of my code is still in use.

Since early retirement I have built two homebuilt aircraft and helped on many more. Pilot license at 58 and flew for many years. Also, many tears of building and flying many Radio-Controlled model planes.

I do believe in Big Bangs, just think more than just one. This universe has been around forever.

What are the qualifications of you, Louis R.?
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Re: Hubble Videos
Post by dscott8   » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:21 pm

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sonex wrote:
Louis R wrote:The Big Bang is only a theory?


The theory I'm referring to is that there was nothing, then there was a point source which became a Big Bang, thus starting our universe. Which infers there was nothing, then something, and thus a beginning.

I'm saying that the universe we see has always been here, with no beginning. Infinite in size, mass, energy, etc...

Can you prove otherwise?

:mrgreen:


My own theory is that the universe goes through cycles of expansion and contraction, a never ending series of Big Bangs separated by billions of years. I also like the idea that some sort of collective subconscious survives these cycles and persists as threads of human memory. Many of our legends of magic and myth could be stuff that happened in previous cycles. Who knows, maybe in some future cycle, Eric Clapton really will be a god.
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Re: Hubble Videos
Post by The E   » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:54 am

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sonex wrote:I put in 33 years at Douglas/McDonell-Douglas while getting a BA in Math at UCLA, with early two years at Kalamazoo College in Mich... My work was on and with the big scientific computers. starting in late 1957 through 1992. 16 months military service. My work started as a computer operator and progressed to Assistant manager, then to Operating System Software programmer after I graduated from UCLA. Self-taught programmer. My last ten years at work was on a Top-Secret project, and some of my code is still in use.

Since early retirement I have built two homebuilt aircraft and helped on many more. Pilot license at 58 and flew for many years. Also, many tears of building and flying many Radio-Controlled model planes.

I do believe in Big Bangs, just think more than just one. This universe has been around forever.

What are the qualifications of you, Louis R.?
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suspiciously absent amongst all those qualifications? astrophysics degrees.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that to denigrate or belittle you and your intellect, the stuff you listed in your little cv there is impressive, but none of it really allows you to make firm statements about the early universe beyond vague beliefs and feelings you might have.
Now, I am not going to claim any special expertise on the subject either, I'm just a code monkey, but consider this: You're making statements like this one
The theory I'm referring to is that there was nothing, then there was a point source which became a Big Bang, thus starting our universe. Which infers there was nothing, then something, and thus a beginning.

and you're trying to position yourself in relation to them, but what you're actually doing is strawmanning an entire field of scientific enquiry that is so specialized and specific that the tools needed to gather data to make any firm statements one way or another cost billions of dollars and involve building particle accelerators the size of small cities or placing satellites at solar lagrange points.
What the big bang represents is an event horizon: something that is (philosophically speaking) a barrier to inquiry because we cannot gather data about anything beyond it given our current understanding of the universe.

So, in the spirit of the scientific method: Yes, the big bang is "a theory" (because theories are the highest possible form of formalized knowledge that we can arrive at using the tools of scientific inquiry), but so is your intuition that the big bang happened in a medium of some sort (except it's not a theory, if we're splitting hairs on the matter, because you do not have experimental or theoretical evidence to support that statement, thus making your belief just a hypothesis).

Point being, belief in science means accepting that there are things out there that you don't know, can't know (at this point in time) or that you may never know (given the limits of human lifespans and cognition). Getting into fights about this, trying to out-gotcha each other over semantics, is stupid and doesn't help anyone.
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Re: Hubble Videos
Post by sonex   » Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:29 pm

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To The E.

I appreciate your response. I did not care for Lois R response.

I get older each day now, more so than just a few years ago.

OK, let's call it my hypothesis.

I've been monitoring stuff since graduating from high school back in '55. Back then the question was whether open or closed system. Eventually we learned it was open. Lately we see galaxies circling something. Let me check my notes. I'm referring to "Local Super Galaxy Cluster animation" which I found back in March of 2018. And now we see the "deep Field" shot from JWST. I want a shot focused beyond that one. Hopefully we will get one before I pass away. Being 85 it's just a matter of time!

I like Dr. Becky on YouTube. Watch a bit every week. So, I don't have any Astronomy degrees, I still have an inquisitive mind. I took a lot of math and physics courses during the 10 years I spent working on a degree while I worked on big scientific computers and programming support of same. Darn, I'm rambling.

Cheers,
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