Current tensions in Europe escalating into full-out war

Imaginos1892 wrote:There are already regions in several cities where the French police dare not attempt to enforce French law.

This is amazing. Thanks for reminding me of this.

For those who are unaware, this little 'fact' came up on Fox news several months ago, along withthe 'fact' that some english cities are no-go zones for the police. The world press from the USA to Europe to India to Australia took the piss out of Fox news for a week, and then everyone forgot about it. Apart from Imaginos.

First this statement is full of bigotry. Second it's "Muslims" not "moslems".

Imaginos1892 wrote:I would not be surprised to see civil war in France. All those moslems they've let in are going to keep trying to impose their "sharia law" and the French won't go for it.

Provide specific cities and evidence or retract your statement.

Imaginos1892 wrote:There are already regions in several cities where the French police dare not attempt to enforce French law.

Donnachaidh wrote:First this statement is full of bigotry. Second it's "Muslims" not "moslems".

Imaginos1892 wrote:I would not be surprised to see civil war in France. All those moslems they've let in are going to keep trying to impose their "sharia law" and the French won't go for it.

Provide specific cities and evidence or retract your statement.

Imaginos1892 wrote:There are already regions in several cities where the French police dare not attempt to enforce French law.

I'm pretty sure his source on this was Fox news. Months ago a commentator (an 'expert' on terrorism) claimed that parts of London and the entire city of Birmingham were ruled under Sharia law and were no go zones for police.

When this was rightly ridiculed, instead of retracting Fox news (and many of their commentators) doubled down on this by claiming entire areas of france were no-go zones. Their evidence for this was a French governemnt map. Which turned out to be a map designating about 20 'economically-deprived' urban areas which the governemnt wanted to target with community outreach and anti-poverty measures. These areas tended to have higher Muslim populations because (surprise!) recent immigrants and ethnic minorities tend to be poorer than society at large.

So basically Fox mistook a government effort to reverse the ghettoisation of the urban poor (who are generally minorities) for Muslims creating no-go zones and imposing Sharia law.

Further ridicule ensued.

If you missed this I recommend looking it up for a laugh.

They still haven't retracted.

Donnachaidh wrote:Second it's "Muslims" not "moslems".

Is it?
If you check a dictionary, you will find that those two are pretty much interchangeable.

And why the capitalisation so specifically?
There is no truly clearcut differentiation. "Islam" would get capitalisation of course, but for "moslem"/"muslim", it is far less clear.
Lately it´s becoming trendy to always capitalise almost anything to do with religion, even when not in any way a specific name, personally i don´t like that at all.

http://esl.fis.edu/grammar/rules/capital.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... al_letters

JimHacker wrote:I'm pretty sure his source on this was Fox news. Months ago a commentator (an 'expert' on terrorism) claimed that parts of London and the entire city of Birmingham were ruled under Sharia law and were no go zones for police.

When this was rightly ridiculed, instead of retracting Fox news (and many of their commentators) doubled down on this by claiming entire areas of france were no-go zones. Their evidence for this was a French governemnt map. Which turned out to be a map designating about 20 'economically-deprived' urban areas which the governemnt wanted to target with community outreach and anti-poverty measures. These areas tended to have higher Muslim populations because (surprise!) recent immigrants and ethnic minorities tend to be poorer than society at large.

So basically Fox mistook a government effort to reverse the ghettoisation of the urban poor (who are generally minorities) for Muslims creating no-go zones and imposing Sharia law.

Further ridicule ensued.

If you missed this I recommend looking it up for a laugh.

They still haven't retracted.

I think they did eventually retract actually... after much laughter generated in their general direction and some pretty blunt statements that they were idiots from various government officials in France AND Britain (where they also claimed there were no-go zones...) and it becoming pretty clear people weren't going to drop it and just let them slink away and hope people forgot.


Of course I think it took them nearly two weeks to finally admit their "expert" didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

Fox "experts" rarely have any clue.

I recall once when i came in halfway in a "report", and wondered what weird place they were talking about, and it turned out to be Stockholm, where i just happened to grow up and live for 20 years.

And their version of it sounded like something taken from a bad urban fantasy novel.

I almost hurt myself laughing.

The report was so terrible that it was amazing they actually had footage of their own, as the complete absence of anything remotely close to facts could only have been managed by someone who had never even read a tourist brochure, much less something serious about the place or been there in person.

Quite amazing how such a subpar and incompetent "news" channel can survive at all.
OTOH, since it´s one of Rupert Murdoch´s main propaganda outlets, i guess he pays for it.

Proper Nouns (Names of people places religions Etc.) should always be capitalized in English for proper grammar. It's not new but old

We rarely get to catch you in such a mistake

Poker

Tenshinai wrote:

Donnachaidh wrote:Second it's "Muslims" not "moslems".

Is it?
If you check a dictionary, you will find that those two are pretty much interchangeable.

And why the capitalisation so specifically?
There is no truly clearcut differentiation. "Islam" would get capitalisation of course, but for "moslem"/"muslim", it is far less clear.
Lately it´s becoming trendy to always capitalise almost anything to do with religion, even when not in any way a specific name, personally i don´t like that at all.

http://esl.fis.edu/grammar/rules/capital.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... al_letters

pokermind wrote:Proper Nouns (Names of people places religions Etc.) should always be capitalized in English for proper grammar. It's not new but old

We rarely get to catch you in such a mistake

Poker

Yes, NAMES of people and religions, direct and indirect, but not nonspecific referrals that are not names. Followers are not the religion, nor are they specific persons.

Moslem/muslim is not the name of either people or religion. It´s what you call followers of a religion.
Nor is it a specific church or branch that would need it, nor is it a title.

Ie if i refer to "christians" in general, capitalisation is not required. It is however still common because the word derives directly from "Christianity".

It is however proper to capitalise when it refers to a specific person(or group ), so if i point at a group and write they are Christians, that should be correct, but if referring to nonspecific persons, then it´s more proper not to use capitalisation.

You could write that "Sunni and Shia have many moslem worshippers". And it should be correct.

Would you capitalise "captains"?
I´ll borrow an example from the wiki link:
Military ranks follow the same capitalization guidelines as given under titles of people above. For example, Brigadier General John Smith, but John Smith was a brigadier general.

It´s only the last 3-4 years that i´ve seen dictionaries and other places starting to add that capitalising what followers of a religion are called is also correct. Previously, that was specifically mentioned as incorrect in several places. Except when it is used instead of or referring a specific person, group or denomination.

Not about Europe this photo of one of the wild mullahs with a quote and shows why one should be worried:



People ignored Hitler's rants too, then he started World War Two and implemented the horrors he preached.

Political Correctness should be called what it is Oppression of different views.

Poker

pokermind wrote:Not about Europe this photo of one of the wild mullahs with a quote and shows why one should be worried:



People ignored Hitler's rants too, then he started World War Two and implemented the horrors he preached.

Political Correctness should be called what it is Oppression of different views.

Poker

Plenty of Americans going around saying we should nuke the middle east.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-a ... iddle-east (81% say yes)

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 648AAzliiS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkWMYiyvGjU

There are idiots and bampots on all sides of this. Pretending only one side has them is disingenous at best. I'm more worried that some kind of political movement in favour of nuking might emerge than I am about sharia law being forcibly imposed.