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Possible Coup de etat?
Post by viciokie   » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:06 pm

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If this actually happens in Egypt one hopes that a government that is dedicated to logic and reason and that de-emphatizes the role of religion since it has shown that a islamist government is not welcomed by the majority. http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-military-i ... 20779.html
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by Spacekiwi   » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:29 pm

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I read somewhere that the Egypt military is extremely secular based, so there may very well be a more moderate styled egyptian govt soon.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by Daryl   » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:01 am

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I've got mixed feelings about this. I personally abhor a theocracy, but this one was democratically elected. To have it violently replaced by a military dictatorship is not an optimal solution. If the majority do feel that their Arab Spring has been hijacked by the religious nut cases then throw them out at the next election. If there isn't a next election, then you have your revolution.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by munroburton   » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:01 am

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I don't think it's a theocracy. It's a democracy that's elected a religious party into power. Completely different from, say, Iran with its Supreme Leader.

It's more like a military dictatorship that allows an elected body to run things on a day-to-day basis and chucks them out when they fail or become too unpopular.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by viciokie   » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:10 pm

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munroburton wrote:I don't think it's a theocracy. It's a democracy that's elected a religious party into power. Completely different from, say, Iran with its Supreme Leader.

It's more like a military dictatorship that allows an elected body to run things on a day-to-day basis and chucks them out when they fail or become too unpopular.



There is notheing different from a religion elected into office than a theocracy. I always prefer a secular approach over that of a religious approach which relies more on lunacy IMO.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by Eyal   » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:27 pm

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viciokie wrote:There is notheing different from a religion elected into office than a theocracy. I always prefer a secular approach over that of a religious approach which relies more on lunacy IMO.

The difference is that in a theocracy, the religious establishment is officially an permanently in charge. In the case of an elected religious party, they can be removed in the next election (at least, assuming a functioning democracy) and are usually limited by countervailing forces.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by Daryl   » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:24 am

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So to summarise, the situation as of yesterday is that a hard line dominated religious government was elected democratically, however the population overall feared it would evolve into a theocracy, so encouraged the military to have a (hopefully temporary) coup. If so then it is a positive step.
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viciokie wrote:There is notheing different from a religion elected into office than a theocracy. I always prefer a secular approach over that of a religious approach which relies more on lunacy IMO.

The difference is that in a theocracy, the religious establishment is officially an permanently in charge. In the case of an elected religious party, they can be removed in the next election (at least, assuming a functioning democracy) and are usually limited by countervailing forces.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by Spacekiwi   » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:40 am

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The military had been threatening to do this for a while, so it was interesting to see Morsi ignore the military, who helped throw out his predecessor.....
He didnt learn from history.....
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by KNick   » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:03 am

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The other thing that he apparently forgot: No government can rule without the support of the People that it rules. He should have remembered that from how he came to power.
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Re: Possible Coup de etat?
Post by munroburton   » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:17 pm

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viciokie wrote:
munroburton wrote:I don't think it's a theocracy. It's a democracy that's elected a religious party into power. Completely different from, say, Iran with its Supreme Leader.

It's more like a military dictatorship that allows an elected body to run things on a day-to-day basis and chucks them out when they fail or become too unpopular.



There is notheing different from a religion elected into office than a theocracy. I always prefer a secular approach over that of a religious approach which relies more on lunacy IMO.


Would you call the Netherlands a theocracy? They've had a Christian party in charge several times.

Many political parties directly or indirectly associated with a religion exist, in several countries that are characterised as democratic. As long as they aren't permanently in charge of the state, it isn't a theocracy.

Personally, I'm thankful when they lose their deposits. Candidates in the UK pay a deposit to stand for election; if they do not gain more than 5% of the vote, they lose the deposit.
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