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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by Arol   » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:00 pm

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Apparently The League of Autocrats isn’t entirely in lock-step with Russia. :D
Can’t say one can blame them; they might be next! :twisted:
https://cepa.org/kazakhstan-thumbs-its-nose-at-putin/
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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by n7axw   » Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:01 pm

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On another subject. I read an article a while back, I think in the Economist. We now have Putin's real motives laid bare...

His war in Ukraine is a resource war. Ukraine is rich in oil and natural gas and Putin is currently sitting on most of it. This in turn becomes the real reason that Ukraine can't negotiate. Doing so would leave the rest of the country resource poor.

Maybe you guys were aware of this. But I sure wasn't. Sorry about not posting earlier, but life intervened.

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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by Arol   » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:03 am

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Erdogan must feel right at home with these two! :roll:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tehran ... operation/
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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by isaac_newton   » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:18 am

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Arol wrote:Erdogan must feel right at home with these two! :roll:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tehran ... operation/


Defo something in that. 'Birds of a feather' and all that.

That talk of drones in particular is not good.
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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by Joat42   » Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:11 pm

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n7axw wrote:On another subject. I read an article a while back, I think in the Economist. We now have Putin's real motives laid bare...

His war in Ukraine is a resource war. Ukraine is rich in oil and natural gas and Putin is currently sitting on most of it. This in turn becomes the real reason that Ukraine can't negotiate. Doing so would leave the rest of the country resource poor.

Maybe you guys were aware of this. But I sure wasn't. Sorry about not posting earlier, but life intervened.

Don

I think I mentioned this particular reason in an earlier post. It's much cheaper to extract oil/gas in a temperate climate, I think the EROI (Energy Return On Investment, ie input 1 unit of energy, get X energy out) for the Siberian oil/gas fields are at 3-5 which is extremely low.

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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by isaac_newton   » Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:31 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
n7axw wrote:On another subject. I read an article a while back, I think in the Economist. We now have Putin's real motives laid bare...

His war in Ukraine is a resource war. Ukraine is rich in oil and natural gas and Putin is currently sitting on most of it. This in turn becomes the real reason that Ukraine can't negotiate. Doing so would leave the rest of the country resource poor.

Maybe you guys were aware of this. But I sure wasn't. Sorry about not posting earlier, but life intervened.

Don

I think I mentioned this particular reason in an earlier post. It's much cheaper to extract oil/gas in a temperate climate, I think the EROI (Energy Return On Investment, ie input 1 unit of energy, get X energy out) for the Siberian oil/gas fields are at 3-5 which is extremely low.


Of course, to compliment that truth - that is the real issue that Putin would have to somehow protect said sites, pipes & associated infrastructure from long range shelling - oil/gas extraction plant is not easy to hide - and I imagine it goes 'boom' very easily, and that would be immensily satisfying to an outraged Ukraine.

Just saying it belongs to Russia without a true peace - hmmm, well I dont think many companies would risk capital & people on that hope!

Controlling the land surface does not guarantee extraction!!!
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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by Arol   » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:53 pm

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The Ukraine and Russians to resume corn and wheat shipments!

Is it being cynical and/or skeptical to be suspicious of Russians “bearing gifts”? :roll:
There were the “humanitarian corridors” that were either mined, or came under fierce artillery bombardment!
Or, there were the “safe ones” that led into Russia.
Giving those fleeing the choice between “the devil or the deep blue sea”!

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 022-07-21/
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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by n7axw   » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:45 am

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Am I the only one to sense that the tide has turned in Ukraine's favor?

Also, is a full mobilization even possible for Russia? They have frittered away so much of their modern weaponry that it seems to me that mobilizing people wouldn't do them much good...

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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by Bruno Behrends   » Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:15 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
n7axw wrote:On another subject. I read an article a while back, I think in the Economist. We now have Putin's real motives laid bare...

His war in Ukraine is a resource war. Ukraine is rich in oil and natural gas and Putin is currently sitting on most of it. This in turn becomes the real reason that Ukraine can't negotiate. Doing so would leave the rest of the country resource poor.

Maybe you guys were aware of this. But I sure wasn't. Sorry about not posting earlier, but life intervened.

Don

I think I mentioned this particular reason in an earlier post. It's much cheaper to extract oil/gas in a temperate climate, I think the EROI (Energy Return On Investment, ie input 1 unit of energy, get X energy out) for the Siberian oil/gas fields are at 3-5 which is extremely low.


I heard that before Putin originally started the war in 2014 the EU had recently agreed a deal with Ukraine to explore and exploit those gas fields in eastern Ukraine and near the Crimean coast. That would have a) meant economic competition for Russia but more importantly b) made Europe independent of Russian gas. Meaning Putin would have lost his leverage with the EU and Ukraine. This supposedly was one of his reasons for the invasion.
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Re: Russian “False-Flag” operations in the Ukraine
Post by Arol   » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:02 am

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It took less than 24 hours for the Russians to violate the agreement not to target ports where grain and other foodstuffs could be shipped out!
The curious thing is that the “TASS” link even mentions the ports that will be exempt from bombardments; including Odessa!
It will be interesting to see how the Kremlin’s talking heads will justify breaking and agreement less than 24 hours after they signed it. :twisted:

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html
https://tass.com/economy/1483883
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