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Re: Buckle Up
Post by n7axw   » Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:12 pm

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cthia wrote:Biden hasn't won yet. Don't jinx it.

To be honest, Trump already won a moral victory, even if not the moral majority. Biden should have taken this thing by a landslide. What the hell is wrong with this country. Trump can still garner that many votes after his handling of the pandemic? I'm really considering fleeing this country before whatever the hell that is in the water supply affects me too.

The Senate race is a total surprise. Mitch McConell winning again is bewildering.


I think what we have proven here is that the candidate doesn't matter. The Republicans could have nominated Dracula and he would have gotten as many votes as Trump.

As for McConnell, that was expected. As for Ernst, Collins, Tillis, it appears the the polls were a bit off.

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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:01 am

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n7axw wrote:I think what we have proven here is that the candidate doesn't matter. The Republicans could have nominated Dracula and he would have gotten as many votes as Trump.


Well, Democrats just run the successful test with living mummy, which could not even recall its own relatives...

Seriously, could they get less obvious figurehead?
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Re: Buckle Up
Post by n7axw   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:19 am

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Dilandu wrote:
n7axw wrote:I think what we have proven here is that the candidate doesn't matter. The Republicans could have nominated Dracula and he would have gotten as many votes as Trump.


Well, Democrats just run the successful test with living mummy, which could not even recall its own relatives...

Seriously, could they get less obvious figurehead?


I was referring to character issues...


But you are really hung up on the age thing, aren't you? Well to be truthful about it, I am not overly happy about it myself. I wish the ticket was flipped with Kamala in the lead position and Joe in the VP position as the wise old head offering advice. But it is what it is. I see Joe as a decent, honorable man who will obey rather than skirting the law. That is my big issue with Trump. And if it turns out that Joe can't do the job, Kamala is there.

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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:42 am

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n7axw wrote:

But you are really hung up on the age thing, aren't you? Well to be truthful about it, I am not overly happy about it myself. I wish the ticket was flipped with Kamala in the lead position and Joe in the VP position as the wise old head offering advice. But it is what it is. I see Joe as a decent, honorable man who will obey rather than skirting the law. That is my big issue with Trump. And if it turns out that Joe can't do the job, Kamala is there.

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Well, being from country that have excessive experience of being ruled by senile partocrats, I understandably skeptical about the abilities of president, who seems to already losing grip on reality. And the mere fact that he was pushed forward - in place of more sensible candidates - essentially demonstrated, that democratic party is going all the way of party decline.

Seriously, don't you feel a bit... undemocratic about the whole idea, that you were given a candidate, who obviously would not ruke by himself? If they wanted Kamala in power, why not nominate Kamala?

The answer is simple: because having figurehead senile president, incapable of rule, would allow to give the real power to anyone else, without all those annoying voting procedure. The matter of really ruling the United States would be decided by party elite, without any consideration for your votes.

Essentially, the American democracy just made another big step toward self-destruction.
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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Daryl   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:21 am

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Dilandu. I'm far from a fan of the US system (just look at the current mess), but at least they do have a choice for least worst. Plus, if someone is publicly critical of the President, they can keep breathing.
Speaking as a citizen of one of the many successful social democratic countries, I do note that many Americans claim that Harris is a "socialist". However it appears that she has no hope of creating a universal national welfare net (Our Centrelink) or a universal national health net (Our Medicare). So not very socialist at all really.
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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Annachie   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:41 am

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Are you saying she's not very socialist, or just not very good at it? ;p
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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:41 am

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Daryl wrote:Dilandu. I'm far from a fan of the US system (just look at the current mess), but at least they do have a choice for least worst.


I think it would soon be removed. Face it: both parties became less and less competent, more ideologically intolerant and stagnant. As soon as one party would figure out how to prevent the opponent from ever being elected, it would reduce the election to a pure formality: the deliberately incapable president formally elected to be actually ruled from behind (classic method of Party rule)
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Re: Buckle Up
Post by n7axw   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:34 am

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Dilandu wrote:
n7axw wrote:

But you are really hung up on the age thing, aren't you? Well to be truthful about it, I am not overly happy about it myself. I wish the ticket was flipped with Kamala in the lead position and Joe in the VP position as the wise old head offering advice. But it is what it is. I see Joe as a decent, honorable man who will obey rather than skirting the law. That is my big issue with Trump. And if it turns out that Joe can't do the job, Kamala is there.

Don

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Well, being from country that have excessive experience of being ruled by senile partocrats, I understandably skeptical about the abilities of president, who seems to already losing grip on reality. And the mere fact that he was pushed forward - in place of more sensible candidates - essentially demonstrated, that democratic party is going all the way of party decline.

Seriously, don't you feel a bit... undemocratic about the whole idea, that you were given a candidate, who obviously would not ruke by himself? If they wanted Kamala in power, why not nominate Kamala?

The answer is simple: because having figurehead senile president, incapable of rule, would allow to give the real power to anyone else, without all those annoying voting procedure. The matter of really ruling the United States would be decided by party elite, without any consideration for your votes.

Essentially, the American democracy just made another big step toward self-destruction.


1.Joe is not senile. Even Trump gave up on this one. Joe is not as sharp as he was at 50, but is still functioning very well. As long as he continues to function at his current level, he'll be fine.

2.Biden defeated the other Democratic candidates in the primaries. There were no smoke filled rooms involved. Whether or not that was the best outcome is a different question.

3.When I mentioned Kamala being available, I wasn't suggesting that she would be pulling strings. I meant that in her role as VP, she would be a capable replacement should Joe be unable to carry on.

4.We are not the pre-Gorbachav USSR. We have a long line of orderly succession determined by the voters and the rule of law. Trump seems to be wanting to challenge that. But, at least so far he is resorting to the courts, not the streets.

Don

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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:19 am

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n7axw wrote:
1.Joe is not senile. Even Trump gave up on this one. Joe is not as sharp as he was at 50, but is still functioning very well. As long as he continues to function at his current level, he'll be fine.

2.Biden defeated the other Democratic candidates in the primaries. There were no smoke filled rooms involved. Whether or not that was the best outcome is a different question.

3.When I mentioned Kamala being available, I wasn't suggesting that she would be pulling strings. I meant that in her role as VP, she would be a capable replacement should Joe be unable to carry on.

4.We are not the pre-Gorbachav USSR. We have a long line of orderly succession determined by the voters and the rule of law. Trump seems to be wanting to challenge that. But, at least so far he is resorting to the courts, not the streets.

Don

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1. He forgot twice to where exactly he is supposed to be running, claimed that 2/3 Americans died of Covid, and was able to correctly present his granddaughter only after several failed efforts. If it is not "senile", then the sharpness of Brejnev's mind true was exceptional.

2. Yeah, and you do not find it suspicious that the only alternative was Sanders? :) Seriously, you do not need smoke-filled room to push the one candidate, if the alternative is no-goer by definition)

3. Please, there is little difference. You voted for Biden. Not Kamala. The situation of "planned Kamala takeover" is not damage control, its blatant planned usurpation.

4. Not yet. But you are moving toward it fast... Should i remind you, that it was Democrats who broke the tradition by launchin hysterical attack on Trump in 2016, including thus absurd "Russiansdidit" paranoia?
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Re: Buckle Up
Post by Daryl   » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:38 am

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Actually there was evidence of Russian interference, and people went to jail for it. Not a biggie, as the US has done that to allies and enemies many times.
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