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Police Free Zones
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:00 pm

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I've been listening to the demands to defund and disband the police. My first reaction is anger, then upon further consideration, why the Hell not.

Every large city should designate a particular geographic area that will be a police free zone. Such a zone should be well delineated, perhaps with rivers and freeways as borders. Most local streets should be blocked off to prevent people from straying into these zones by accident. It is reasonable that such zones should be predominantly African American and other minorities. In some cases, such zones might be historically minority communities that have been gentrified. Since the white folk who have been eagerly moving into these areas are liberals, they should not have a problem with it. If not, they will be at liberty to leave.

Every inmate currently incarcerated in Federal of State prisons or local nails will have the opportunity to be released to live in the zones. Every person later convicted of a crime will have the option to live in a zone rather than serve their sentence.

Police will be forbidden to patrol these police free zones or to respond to 911 calls from these zones. No property or income taxes will be levied in these zones but there might be some form of import and export duties. There will be no prohibition on importing alcoholic drinks, marijunna, cocaine, methamphetamine, LSD, Heroine or other drugs into the zones. The courts will have severely constrained jurisdiction over these zones. Contracts and titles to property within the zones will not be enforced by State of local government. Police will not attempt to arrest anyone inside the zones for crimes committed outside the zones. Police will be at liberty to arrest any inhabitant of a zone that strays outside the zone for crimes committed outside the zone only if caught outside the zone. The municipalities will be absolved of responsibility to provide fire, paramedic and ambulance services to these zones. The inhabitants of the zones will be at liberty to provide these services for themselves, funded by whatever mechanism they chose. Municipalities will also be absolved of responsibility to provide or maintain utilities including water, power, sewer, garbage collection, street maintenance or parks. Private utility companies will be at liberty to decide if they wish to provide such utilities in the zones.
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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by Senior Chief   » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:21 pm

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Police Free Zones - you might as well turn those PFZ's into the TV series The Purge. But instead of sanctioning a 12-hour period which legalizes all crimes, including vandalism, theft, arson, and murder; you will have a 24/7 year round chaos. Which is almost what you have going on in Chicago anyway; total chaos. Civilizations need laws or you have nothing that is worth holding on to. MHO for what it is worth.
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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by gcomeau   » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:52 pm

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As has already been pointed out elsewhere, there are very few people calling to get rid of the police altogether. "Defunding" the police refers to reallocating some of their in many cases overly bloated budgets to community engagement programs that are more effective at many things the police aren't exactly the best people to be handling... and to stop funneling military hardware to them.
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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by Annachie   » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:10 pm

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And as a general rule those talking about shutting down the police force are actually talking about rebuilding it from the ground up.

Though as always there are a few fringe left and right talking about getting rid of police totally.
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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by n7axw   » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:53 pm

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Annachie wrote:And as a general rule those talking about shutting down the police force are actually talking about rebuilding it from the ground up.

Though as always there are a few fringe left and right talking about getting rid of police totally.


Yeah, what this is about is completely getting rid of the old departments and starting fresh from scratch because problems with police brutality and corruption are so deeply ingrained into the fabric of the old department that all attempts to reform it have failed. So we begin anew.

Without going into detail, Camden NJ went that route a few years ago. They made some mistakes along the way and it is still a work in progress. But their overall crime rate is down 42% and they are pleased with that.

I think that much of that has to do with on the beat policing with neighborhoods getting to know the cops and vice versa. I think that is what the MPLS city council is really wanting too.

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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:40 am

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There was an example in 1969 of what happens when the police stop policing.

The Murray-Hill Riot.

The police went on strike at 8 AM. By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed, a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty carloads of storefront glass had been broken and three million dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city authorities had to call in the army and the Mounties to restore order.

That was 7th October, 1969, in the days before social media.
Imagine what would happen if the police completely abandoned a city now. Criminals would be flooding towards the city for an orgy of looting, murder and rape even before the Police had finished packing up their files for the retreat.

Should the police be rebuilt, care would need to be taken to ensure a smooth transition between "Old Cops" and "New Cops", otherwise any gap in cover would be ruthlessly exploited by criminals and those of no moral fibre.
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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by n7axw   » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:58 am

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Michael Everett wrote:There was an example in 1969 of what happens when the police stop policing.

The Murray-Hill Riot.

The police went on strike at 8 AM. By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed, a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty carloads of storefront glass had been broken and three million dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city authorities had to call in the army and the Mounties to restore order.

That was 7th October, 1969, in the days before social media.
Imagine what would happen if the police completely abandoned a city now. Criminals would be flooding towards the city for an orgy of looting, murder and rape even before the Police had finished packing up their files for the retreat.

Should the police be rebuilt, care would need to be taken to ensure a smooth transition between "Old Cops" and "New Cops", otherwise any gap in cover would be ruthlessly exploited by criminals and those of no moral fibre.


Yep. No doubt but what they will need to be very careful. One thing I suspect they will do is vet and interview cops who have kept their records clean. Also, it will be interesting to see what happens to the union. A major goal of such a project would be to tighten up control over how the department operates.

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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:48 am

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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by n7axw   » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:24 am

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:We now have the first one:

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020 ... -precinct/


They will have to work it out, won't they? Hopefully the bottom line will be constructive.

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Re: Police Free Zones
Post by Senior Chief   » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:41 am

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Senior Chief wrote:Police Free Zones - you might as well turn those PFZ's into the TV series The Purge. But instead of sanctioning a 12-hour period which legalizes all crimes, including vandalism, theft, arson, and murder; you will have a 24/7 year round chaos. Which is almost what you have going on in Chicago anyway; total chaos. Civilizations need laws or you have nothing that is worth holding on to. MHO for what it is worth.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-prot ... -extortion

Six block Police Free Zone in Seattle....
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