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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by doug941   » Thu May 14, 2020 3:26 pm

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n7axw wrote:This is interesting. But I am a bit foggy. Just what is it that we need related to the virus that we are currently unable to do? Is it something that couldn't be dealt with by full implementation of the war production act?

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1. Vaccine. The defense production act isn't going to be able to do much here.

2. Effective treatment. Again, not much the act can do there.

3. PPE like N95 masks. It's STILL short. This is where the act should have been used immediately and urgently when all this started. This should have been addressed months ago but Trump refused to take the issue seriously because he was too busy downplaying it... and then in his desperate bid to avoid having any responsibility for anything put on his shoulders he made it worse by inciting a state by state bidding war over the equipment instead of coordinating a nationwide effort to produce and distribute critical materials as needed. He thought admitting it was a serious problem would make him look bad and he has no ability to think beyond the issue 5 mins in front of him. Now he looks a hell of a lot worse because he refused to take it seriously earlier and then poured fuel on the fire he let get out of control... and his natural response of course is to just lie about how everything is fine and great and perfect and the best of any country in the world. Because that is always his instinctive first go to response to anything.


In regards to your point #1, don't hold your breath. Many vaccines are in the works but a well respected local Dr told a local news station several days ago that NO vaccine has ever been developed for any human transmissible coronavirus. Any vaccine that makes it into use is in completely uncharted waters.
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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by gcomeau   » Thu May 14, 2020 3:38 pm

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The numbers coming out of Wisconsin 2 to 3 weeks from now should be eye opening... hopefully enough citizens have the brains to take it on themselves to stay home anyway and prevent the complete disaster the Wisconsin Supreme Court seems to be trying to create.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 189137002/
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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by n7axw   » Thu May 14, 2020 4:08 pm

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I was really asking a somewhat different question... What I was trying to ask had more to do with available abilities and resources to do the job. We can obviously enough produce the ppe, for example. I've heard that stuff for processing tests must come from foreign sources. Why? Is there something about that we can't do? Is there anything else that we can't do if we get the rag out of our butts and pull out the stops to get it done?

As for vaccine, right now no one can do that, although we keep hearing that there are things in the works that show promise. We'll see...

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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Thu May 14, 2020 4:31 pm

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This is an interesting article:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/cuomos-nu ... e-goodwin/

This certainly puts the Trump Detrangement Syndrome in perspective.

Then there is the most recent from Peter Zeihan. Just to reassure you, Zeihan was very uncomplimentary of President Trump in his previous posting.



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A Failure of Leadership, Part II:
How To Lose Friends and
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By Xi Jinping (and Peter Zeihan) on May 14, 2020
The propaganda out of China of late has been…notable. Beijing has accused the French of using their nursing homes as death camps, has blamed Italy for being the source of the coronavirus (at the very peak of Italian deaths), has charged the US Army with bringing the virus to China in the first place, has thrown a “fact sheet” of truly disbelievable disinformation at the fact-oriented Germans, and turned the country’s ambassadorial core into cut-rate tabloid distributors – all while leaning on anyone and everyone from the United Nations to the World Health Organization to the European Union to regional legislative bodies to alternatively suppress and delete any information or analysis that does anything but laud China, as well as push them to take public stances that slobberingly praise China.

In doing so the Chinese have seemingly deliberately wrecked their relations with the Americans, French, Italians, Germans, Czechs, South Africans, Kazakhs and Nigerians, just to name a few. (The Swedes had all but ended their diplomatic relationship with China – having come to the public conclusion that the Chinese government was a pack of genocidal, power-mad, information-suppressing, exploitive, ultranationalists – before COVID.)

Nor are these disturbing shifts limited to the realm of foreign disinformation. Propaganda at home is boiling in a new direction as well. Overt, blatant racism is the core of the new program, with the government expressly blaming foreigners of all stripes for coronavirus in specific and China’s ills in general. Everything from restaurants to buses to gyms are banning foreigners. As a rule the government edicts are color-blind, but there are plenty of stories out there of this or that municipality or establishment singling out this or that nationality or skin color for…special consideration.

And the invective will get more offensive and self-destructive and seemingly stupid. China’s propaganda offensive April was done by the professionals – the folks at the head of the Ministry of Truth-, er, Foreign Affairs. All the lies and everything that demeaned and insulted countries in the grips of the coronavirus was expressly deliberate and sanctioned from the top, with the ambassadorial core directed to follow suit. (For those of you who like names, watch spokesman Zhao Lijian, a man who enjoys Chairman Xi’s personal sponsorship).

But we aren’t in April any longer, and China’s propaganda effort has become more diffuse, adopting more of a mob mentality. Now the entire governing apparatus has been unleashed, including agencies and bureaus down to the local level who normally have nothing to do with public relations, much less official propaganda. There is no longer a cohesive storytelling effort a la the Soviet style of propaganda. It is as if the Chinese equivalent of the MAGA crowd and the Bernie Bros are suddenly part of the propaganda effort, working alongside – or at least in parallel to – the Voice of America and the State Department.

The April propaganda was sophomoric and moronic, particularly at influencing foreign audiences or achieving some sort of strategic goal. In May it has already degraded into the realm of the infantile. My personal favorite was when an apparatchik made a lovely post stating “We condemn the fatso to death” with the “fatso” in question being US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Considering the ultrafine mesh the Chinese internal censorship dragnet has been using of late, that particular post’s ongoing longevity is a testament to just how holistic the CCP’s effort has become.

In the past few weeks the Chinese have deliberately destroyed three decades of efforts to build up soft power. I have never seen this sort of influence collapse, much less on a global scale. Even the Soviet fall saw Moscow retain influence throughout Latin America, Africa and the Middle East…and then the Soviet Union collapsed. The Trump administration just lost their Olympic gold in Gravitas Destruction to the Xi administration, and not by a small margin.

So…what the hell?


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The Party may be descending into narcissistic ideology, and the Han Chinese may have always had a superiority complex based on a superiority complex, and we all may be a bit aghast at both the new tone and substance of Beijing’s foreign policy, and CCP is too paranoid, controlling, arrogant and bunkered to pretend to lead anything on a regional – much less global – scale, but I think we can all accept that the Party is not run by a bunch of morons.

The explanation is unfortunately very simple: the Chinese leadership is well aware that soft power isn’t what is going to solve the problem they see. There’s some guidance as to the CCP’s thinking in how the propaganda effort is being explained within China, and it doesn’t bode well for the future.

Semi-officially, the CCP called the April (official) effort Wolf Warrior diplomacy, in reference to a recent (and wildly popular) Chinese movie series about ethically pure Chinese soldiers who purge the world of evil American mercenaries. The closest equivalent I can think of would be like calling an American propaganda effort Starship Troopers diplomacy. (Yeah, it is as stupid as it sounds.)

The (more disperse) May effort, in contrast, is being referred to as a Yihetuan Movement mindset. It is a reference to a particularly chaotic period at the turn of the 19th to the 20th centuries when a particularly violent strain of ultranationalism erupted in response to foreign actions within China. Most non-Chinese readers probably don’t recognize the Yihetuan Movement reference, but they probably do recall how it was labelled in the West: the Boxer Rebellion. More on that in a minute.

This new propaganda program isn’t about Xi attempting to convince the wider world of China’s greatness or rightness. This isn’t about the United States or Europe or Africa, and certainly not about global domination. Instead it is about intentionally saying things so far beyond the pale that there’s a global anti-Chinese backlash. The backlash itself isn’t the goal, but instead a means to an end. Xi is attempting to use a global anti-Chinese backlash to enflame anti-foreigner nationalist activity within China. Put simply, Xi is trying to get the world pissed off at China so that China becomes pissed off at the world.

Xi feel he needs to hyperstimulate and mobilize a large enough proportion of the population so that they can assist the state security services in containing, demoralizing, cowing – and if necessary, beating, killing and disappearing – those who do not buy in.

Think this seems a bit…extreme? Brush up on your 20th century Chinese history, particularly in the context of how the CCP is explaining its propaganda effort to the Chinese citizenry.

Google the Great Leap Forward to review just how deliberately brutal the Chinese government can be to their own people, and just how good the Chinese government can be at motivating its own citizens to persecute one another.

Check out the Cultural Revolution to see how mobilizing portions of the population to repress the rest of the population makes the East German Stasi look like New Zealand socialists.

Review the Tiananmen Square massacre to remind yourself of how far the CCP will go even in “modern” times when it faces a threat to its power.

Look up the Boxer Rebellion to see how such processes result in the state-sponsored lynching and murder of Christians and foreigners. (Btw, if you are a manufacturer or investor and you still have personnel in China, now would be a glorious time to get them the fuck out).

The only part of this that is new for China is that this time they have industrial and digital technologies to help manage the population so that the sharp end of state power can be brought to bear more quickly.

This leaves only one question: Why…WHY would Chairman Xi feel this sort of extreme action is necessary?

Put simply, Xi fears the end of China is nigh.

And that, again, requires a completely new newsletter.

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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by Joat42   » Thu May 14, 2020 6:36 pm

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n7axw wrote:I've heard that stuff for processing tests must come from foreign sources. Why? Is there something about that we can't do? Is there anything else that we can't do if we get the rag out of our butts and pull out the stops to get it done?

It may entirely be due to patents and IP-rights. Some company own the rights to something used in the processing of test and that something is only manufactured at that companies plant located in for example Belgium or Japan. Since this is a money-maker for the company they haven't licensed it out to anyone.

You'd be surprised how often this is the case for many products.

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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by n7axw   » Thu May 14, 2020 11:41 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
n7axw wrote:I've heard that stuff for processing tests must come from foreign sources. Why? Is there something about that we can't do? Is there anything else that we can't do if we get the rag out of our butts and pull out the stops to get it done?

It may entirely be due to patents and IP-rights. Some company own the rights to something used in the processing of test and that something is only manufactured at that companies plant located in for example Belgium or Japan. Since this is a money-maker for the company they haven't licensed it out to anyone.

You'd be surprised how often this is the case for many products.


I was listening to the news tonight. Apparently the main source for some of this stuff is China.

One would think that the defense production act could be utilized to empower the production of what we need.

Then if patent violation was involved, that could be settled later. As for China, my sympathy would be minimal given their flair for stealing intellectual property over the years. In fact if the Chinese government was involved, I would think that discussion should be included in the calculation of who owed what to whom.

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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by cthia   » Fri May 15, 2020 7:20 am

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gcomeau wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:
You make valid points that the US should have been stockpiling medical supplies. Allegedly, the CDC already had such a stockpile. Unfortunately; much of that stockpile was already outdated before President Trump was elected. How many bureaucrats lied to their superiors by assuring them that the US had plenty of medical supplies? Taking steps to stock up on medical supplies even in January would have likely been inneffective because China was already hoarding suplies. That revelation would have been extremely informative.


Feb 7th: https://www.state.gov/the-united-states ... ronavirus/

"This week the State Department has facilitated the transportation of nearly 17.8 tons of donated medical supplies to the Chinese people, including masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials. These donations are a testament to the generosity of the American people."

The point of course not being that they shipped the supplies, that was the correct move. Fight it there to delay the spread to here.

The point was they knew of the need for those supplies, and did squat to build domestic stockpiles. Trump was still resisting calls to invoke the Defense Production Act to get PPE and medical device manufacturing kicked into high gear almost 2 months later.

One obvious lesson is that the US needs to repatriate critical manufacturing rather than rely on foreign countries. This aversion to reliance is particularly advisable for strategic adversaries such as China.


But they're outsourced to those countries because Capitalism... company CEOs choosing the lowest cost highest profit means of making their product. So how exactly do you advocate making this "repatriation" happen?

That's easy. You simply impose taxes and fees so high on American companies operating abroad that makes it impossible to turn a profit. Along with so much red tape to cut through that it doesn't make it worth the effort - like mandatory guidelines ensuring the minimum age limit of workers, ensuring safe workplaces, preventive measures to prevent exploitation, etc. Which should have happened a long time ago anyway.

If that fails, simply make it a National Security issue. It is.

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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Fri May 15, 2020 12:14 pm

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I thought that I would post this latest from Zeihan:



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By Peter Zeihan on May 15, 2020

The Chinese are intentionally torching their diplomatic relationships with the wider world. The question is why?

The short version is that China’s spasming belligerency is a sign not of confidence and strength, but instead insecurity and weakness. It is an exceedingly appropriate response to the pickle the Chinese find themselves in.

Some of these problems arose because of coronavirus, of course. Chinese trade has collapsed from both the supply and demand sides. In the first quarter of 2020 China experienced its first recession since the reinvention of the Chinese economy under Deng Xiaoping in 1979. Blame for this recession can be fully (and accurately) laid at the feet of China’s coronavirus epidemic. But in Q2 China’s recession is certain to continue because the virus’ spread worldwide means China’s export-led economy doesn’t have anyone to export to.

Nor are China’s recent economic problems limited to coronavirus. One of the first things someone living in a rapidly industrializing economy does once their standard of living increases is purchase a car, but car purchases in China started turning negative nearly two years before coronavirus reared its head.

Why the collapse even in what “should” be happening with the economy? It really comes down to China’s financial model. In the United States (and to a lesser degree, in most of the advanced world) money is an economic good. Something that has value in and of itself, and so it should be applied with a degree of forethought for how efficiently it can be mobilized. This is why banks require collateral and/or business plans before they’ll fund loans.

That’s totally not how it works in China. In China, money – capital, to be more technical – is considered a political good, and it only has value if it can be used to achieve political goals. Common concepts in the advanced world such as rates of return or profit margins simply don’t exist in China, especially for the state owned enterprises (of which there are many) and other favored corporate giants that act as pillars of the economy. Does this generate growth? Sure. Explosive growth? Absolutely. Provide anyone with a bottomless supply of zero (or even subzero) percent loans and of course they’ll be able to employ scads of people and produce tsunamis of products and wash away any and all competition.

This is why China’s economy didn’t slow despite sky-high commodity prices in the 2000s – bottomless lending means Chinese businesses are not price sensitive. This is why Chinese exporters were able to out-compete firms the world over in manufactured goods – bottomless lending enabled them to subsidize their sales. This is why Chinese firms have been able to take over entire industries such as cement and steel fabrication – bottomless lending means the Chinese don’t care about the costs of the inputs or the market conditions for the outputs. This is why the One Belt One Road program has been so far reaching – bottomless lending means the Chinese produce without regard for market, and so don’t get tweaky about dumping product globally, even in locales no one has ever felt the need to build road or rail links to. (I mean, come on, a rail line through a bunch of poor, nearly-marketless post-Soviet ‘Stans’ to dust-poor, absolutely-marketless Afghanistan? Seriously, what does the winner get?)

Investment decisions not driven by the concept of returns tend to add up. Conservatively, corporate debt in China is about 150% of GDP. That doesn’t count federal government debt, or provincial government debt, or local government debt. Nor does it involve the bond market, or non-standard borrowing such as LendingTree-like person-to-person programs, or shadow financing designed to evade even China’s hyper-lax financial regulatory authorities. It doesn’t even include US dollar-denominated debt that cropped up in those rare moments when Beijing took a few baby steps to address the debt issue and so firms sought funds from outside of China. With that sort of attitude towards capital, it shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that China’s stock markets are in essence gambling dens utterly disconnected from issues of supply and labor and markets and logistics and cashflow (and legality). Simply put, in China, debt levels simply are not perceived as an issue.

Until suddenly, catastrophically, they are.

As every country or sector or firm that has followed a similar growth-over-productivity model has discovered, throwing more and more money into the system generates less and less activity. China has undoubtedly past that point where the model generates reasonable outcomes. China’s economy roughly quadrupled in size since 2000, but its debt load has increased by a factor of twenty-four. Since the 2007-2009 financial crisis China has added something like 100% of GDP of new debt, for increasingly middling results.

But more important than high debt levels is that eventually, inevitably, economic reality forces a correction. If this correction happens soon enough, it only takes down a small sliver of the system (think Enron’s death). If the inefficiencies are allowed to fester and expand, they might take down a whole sector (think America’s dot.com bust in 2000). If the distortions get too large, they can spread to other sectors and trigger a broader recession (think America’s 2007 subprime-initiated financial crisis). If they become systemic they can bring down not only the economy, but the political system (think Indonesia’s 1998 government collapse).

It is worse than it sounds. The CCP has long presented the Chinese citizenry with a strict social contract: the CCP enjoys an absolute political monopoly in exchange for providing steadily increasing standards of living. That means no elections. That means no unsanctioned protests. That means never establishing an independent legal or court system which might challenge CCP whim. It means firmly and permanently defining “China’s” interests as those of the CCP.

It makes the system firm, but so very, very brittle. And it means that the CCP fears – reasonably and accurately – that when the piper arrives it will mean the fall of the Party. Knowing full well both that the model is unsustainable and that China’s incarnation of the model is already past the use-by date, the CCP has chosen not to reform the Chinese economy for fear of being consumed by its own population.

The only short-term patch is to quadruple down on the long-term debt-debt-debt strategy that the CCP already knows no longer works, a strategy it has already followed more aggressively and for longer than any country previous, both in absolute and relative terms. The top tier of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) – and most certainly Xi himself – realize that means China’s inevitable “correction” will be far worse than anything that has happened in any recessionary period anywhere in the world in the past several decades.

And of course that’s not all. China faces plenty of other of issues that range from the strategically hobbling to the truly system-killing.


China suffers from both poor soils and a drought-and-floodprone climatic geography. Its farmers can only keep China fed by applying five times the inputs of the global norm. This only works with, you guessed it, bottomless financing. So when China’s financial model inevitably fails, the country won’t simply suffer a subprime-style collapse in ever subsector simultaneously, it will face famine.
The archipelagic nature of the East Asian geography fences China off from the wider world, making economic access to it impossible without the very specific American-maintained global security environment of the past few decades.
China’s navy is largely designed around capturing a very specific bit of this First Island Chain, the island of Formosa (aka the country of Taiwan, aka the “rebellious Chinese province”). Problem is, China’s cruise-missile-heavy, short-range navy is utterly incapable of protecting China’s global supply chains, making China’s export-led economic model questionable at best.
Nor is home consumption an option. Pushing four decades of the One Child Policy means China has not only gutted its population growth and made the transition to a consumption-led economy technically impossible, but has now gone so far to bring the entire concept of “China” into question in the long-term.

Honestly, this – all of this – only scratches the surface. For the long and the short of just how weak and, to be blunt, doomed China is, I refer you my new book, Disunited Nations. Chapters 2 through 4 break down what makes for successful powers, global and otherwise…and how China fails on a historically unprecedented scale on each and every measure.

But on with the story of the day:

These are the broader strategic and economic dislocations and fractures embedded in the Chinese system. That explains the “why” as to why the Chinese leadership is terrified of their future. But what about the “why now?” Why has Xi chosen this moment to institute a political lockdown? After all, none of these problems are new.

There are two explanations. First, exports in specific:

The One Child Policy means that China can never be a true consumption-led system, but China is hardly the only country facing that particular problem. The bulk of the world – ranging from Canada to Germany to Brazil to Japan to Korea to Iran to Italy – have experienced catastrophic baby busts at various times during the past half century. In nearly all cases, populations are no longer young, with many not even being middle-aged. For most of the developed world, mass retirement and complete consumption collapses aren’t simply inevitable, they’ll arrive within the next 48 months.

And that was before coronavirus gutted consumption on a global scale, presenting every export-oriented system with an existential crisis. Which means China, a country whose political functioning and social stability is predicated upon export-led growth, needs to find a new reason for the population to support the CCP’s very existence.

The second explanation for the “why now?” is the status of Chinese trade in general:

Remember way back when to the glossy time before coronavirus when the world was all tense about the Americans and Chinese launching off into a knock-down, drag-out trade war?

Back on January 15 everyone decided to take a breather. The Chinese committed to a rough doubling of imports of American products, plus efforts to tamp down rampant intellectual property theft and counterfeiting, in exchange for a mix of tariff suspensions and reductions. Announced with much fanfare, this “Phase I” deal was supposed to set the stage for a subsequent, far larger “Phase II” deal in which the Americans planned to convince the Chinese to fundamentally rework their regulatory, finance, legal and subsidy structures.

These are all things the Chinese never had any intention of carrying out. All the concessions the Americans imagined are wound up in China’s debt-binge model. Granting them would unleash such massive economic, financial and political instability that the survival of the CCP itself would be called into question.

Any deal between any American administration and Beijing is only possible if the American administration first forces the issue. Pre-Trump, the last American administration to so force the issue was the W Bush administration at the height of the EP3 spy plane incident in mid-2001. Despite his faults, Donald Trump deserves credit for being the first president in the years since to expend political capital to compel the Chinese to the table.

But there’s more to a deal than its negotiation. There is also enforcement. In the utter absence of rule of law, enforcement requires even, unrelenting pressure akin to what the Americans did to the Soviets with Cold War era nuclear disarmament policy. No US administration has ever had the sort of bandwidth required to police a trade deal with a large, non-market economy. There are simply too many constantly moving pieces. The current American administration is particularly ill-suited to the task. The Trump administration’s tendency to tweet out a big announcement and then move on to the next shiny object means the Chinese discarded their “commitments” with confidence on the day they were made.

Which means the Sino-American trade relationship was always going to collapse, and the United States and China were always going to fall into acrimony. Coronavirus did the world a favor (or disfavor based upon where you stand) in delaying the degradation. In February and March the Chinese were under COVID’s heel and it was perfectly reasonable to give Beijing extra time. In April it was the Americans’ turn to be distracted.

Now, four months later, with the Americans emerging from their first coronavirus wave and edging back towards something that might at least rhyme with a shadow of normal, the bilateral relationship is coming back into focus – and it is obvious the Chinese deliberately and systematically lied to Trump. Such deception was pretty much baked in from the get-go. In part it is because the CCP has never been what I’d call an honest negotiating partner. In part it is because the CCP honestly doesn’t think the Chinese system can be reformed, particularly on issues such as rule of law. In part it is because the CCP honestly doesn’t think it could survive what the Americans want it to attempt. But in the current environment it all ends at the same place: I think we can all recall an example or three of how Trump responds when he feels personally aggrieved.

Which brings us to perhaps China’s most immediate problem. Nothing about the Chinese system – its political unity, its relative immunity from foreign threats, its ability import energy from a continent away, its ability to tap global markets to supply it with raw materials and markets to dump its products in, its ability to access the world beyond the First Island Chain – is possible without the global Order. And the global Order is not possible without America. No other country – no other coalition of countries – has the naval power to guarantee commercial shipments on the high seas. No commercial shipments, no trade. No trade, no export-led economies. No export-led economies…no China.

It isn’t so much that the Americans have always had the ability to destroy China in a day (although they have), but instead that it is only the Americans that could create the economic and strategic environment that has enabled China to survive as long as it has. Whether or not the proximate cause for the Chinese collapse is homegrown or imported from Washington is largely irrelevant to the uncaring winds of history, the point is that Xi believes the day is almost here.

Global consumption patterns have turned. China’s trade relations have turned. America’s politics have turned. And now, with the American-Chinese breach galloping into full view, Xi feels he has little choice but to prepare for the day everyone in the top ranks of the CCP always knew was coming: The day that China’s entire economic structure and strategic position crumbles. A full political lockdown is the only possible survival mechanism. So the “solution” is as dramatic as it is impactful:

Spawn so much international outcry that China experiences a nationalist reaction against everyone who is angry at China. Convince the Chinese population that nationalism is a suitable substitute for economic growth and security. And then use that nationalism to combat the inevitable domestic political firestorm when China doesn’t simply tank, but implodes.

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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Fri May 15, 2020 12:31 pm

TFLYTSNBN

I'm not wanting to double post, but I didn't want my comments to be confused with Zeihan's.

I think that Zeihan accurately describes China's economic and political predicament. Keep in mind that immediately prior to the plague, China was plagued by a near rebellion in Hong Kong. China's regime is fragile.

I disagree that China is so militarily disadvantaged. The Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty enabled China to develop forces that were forbidden to the US and Russia. Antiship ballistic missiles that severely out range the F-35 and the F-18 make it extremely hazardous for carriers to engage China. The US has a few tricks up it's sleeve, but a war with China would not be easy. The risk of nuclear escalation is serious.

What I am hoping will happen is that Trump will exploit the global outrage about China's duplicity without pressing them so hard that they go on the warpath. A gradual repatriation of critical manufacturing to America in combination with a global trade meltdown will cripple China's economy without pushing them ovdr the edge. After a decade of economic implosion and political upheaval, China will no longer be a peer threat.
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Re: Flu & Covid19
Post by gcomeau   » Fri May 15, 2020 1:11 pm

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cthia wrote:
gcomeau wrote:

But they're outsourced to those countries because Capitalism... company CEOs choosing the lowest cost highest profit means of making their product. So how exactly do you advocate making this "repatriation" happen?

That's easy. You simply impose taxes and fees so high on American companies operating abroad that makes it impossible to turn a profit. Along with so much red tape to cut through that it doesn't make it worth the effort - like mandatory guidelines ensuring the minimum age limit of workers, ensuring safe workplaces, preventive measures to prevent exploitation, etc. Which should have happened a long time ago anyway.

If that fails, simply make it a National Security issue. It is.


Exactly. In other words, government intervention in the market.

(Amazing how that suddenly becomes obvious and desirable to certain parties when it's to achieve a result *they* prioritize...)
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