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Russian Reannexation of Ukrain, Moldova and Belerus.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:38 pm

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It would appear that the invasion of Syria by Turkey is setting the stage for the opening of The Twilight War. Russia needs borders it can defend and the borders it has are indefensible even without the ongoing demographic implosion. Turkey's invasion of Syria keeps Turkey occupied while presenting Turkey with opportunities to commit atrocities that will alienate the other members of NATO. Any conflict over the US withdrawing forces from Turkey, particularly the 50 nuclear weapons stored at Incirlik Airbase, will drive a stake through the heart of NATO. I do not discount the possibility that Russia and Turkey have reached a quid pro quo on Turkey seizing oil fields In Syria and Iraq while Russia seizes it's former vassal states.

The context of the impeachment hearings provides Russia with the perfect opportunity. President Trump is not only distracted, the process undermines the political cache that might enable a US President to intervene to protect countries that are not members of NATO. Trump also has isolationist leanings anyway.

The alienation with Turkey severely limits the ability of the US to project force in the Black Sea. Factor in the revelations that Ukraine was bribing Vice President Biden by giving his cocaine addicted, philandering son a multimillion dollar job that he wasn't remotely qualified for and interfering in the 2016 elections and the probability of the US employing force is zero.
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Re: Russian Reannexation of Ukrain, Moldova and Belerus.
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:45 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:It would appear that the invasion of Syria by Turkey is setting the stage for the opening of The Twilight War. Russia needs borders it can defend and the borders it has are indefensible even without the ongoing demographic implosion. Turkey's invasion of Syria keeps Turkey occupied while presenting Turkey with opportunities to commit atrocities that will alienate the other members of NATO. Any conflict over the US withdrawing forces from Turkey, particularly the 50 nuclear weapons stored at Incirlik Airbase, will drive a stake through the heart of NATO. I do not discount the possibility that Russia and Turkey have reached a quid pro quo on Turkey seizing oil fields In Syria and Iraq while Russia seizes it's former vassal states.

The context of the impeachment hearings provides Russia with the perfect opportunity. President Trump is not only distracted, the process undermines the political cache that might enable a US President to intervene to protect countries that are not members of NATO. Trump also has isolationist leanings anyway.

The alienation with Turkey severely limits the ability of the US to project force in the Black Sea. Factor in the revelations that Ukraine was bribing Vice President Biden by giving his cocaine addicted, philandering son a multimillion dollar job that he wasn't remotely qualified for and interfering in the 2016 elections and the probability of the US employing force is zero.


Post summary.

Part 1: "Look at me describe how things are going to shit on Trump's watch after he screwed everything up... while remaining blissfully incapable of recognizing that what I am describing is Trump's failures and undermining of American influence and interests."

Part 2: Somehow the impeachment hearings, which Trump is not even participating in, are making it so Trump can't deal with this. Because he's basically a man sized toddler and can't focus on his job when shiny objects are distracting him, unlike every other president in history who faced impeachment inquiries who kept fucking working through it instead of calling up his favorite cable news hosts to issue hour long delusional lie filled rants on TV.

Part 3: Obligatory thoroughly debunked lies and conspiracy theories about Democrats.
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Re: Russian Reannexation of Ukrain, Moldova and Belerus.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:45 pm

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gcomeau wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:It would appear that the invasion of Syria by Turkey is setting the stage for the opening of The Twilight War. Russia needs borders it can defend and the borders it has are indefensible even without the ongoing demographic implosion. Turkey's invasion of Syria keeps Turkey occupied while presenting Turkey with opportunities to commit atrocities that will alienate the other members of NATO. Any conflict over the US withdrawing forces from Turkey, particularly the 50 nuclear weapons stored at Incirlik Airbase, will drive a stake through the heart of NATO. I do not discount the possibility that Russia and Turkey have reached a quid pro quo on Turkey seizing oil fields In Syria and Iraq while Russia seizes it's former vassal states.


The context of the impeachment hearings provides Russia with the perfect opportunity. President Trump is not only distracted, the process undermines the political cache that might enable a US President to intervene to protect countries that are not members of NATO. Trump also has isolationist leanings anyway.

The alienation with Turkey severely limits the ability of the US to project force in the Black Sea. Factor in the revelations that Ukraine was bribing Vice President Biden by giving his cocaine addicted, philandering son a multimillion dollar job that he wasn't remotely qualified for and interfering in the 2016 elections and the probability of the US employing force is zero.


Post summary.

Part 1: "Look at me describe how things are going to shit on Trump's watch after he screwed everything up... while remaining blissfully incapable of recognizing that what I am describing is Trump's failures and undermining of American influence and interests."

Part 2: Somehow the impeachment hearings, which Trump is not even participating in, are making it so Trump can't deal with this. Because he's basically a man sized toddler and can't focus on his job when shiny objects are distracting him, unlike every other president in history who faced impeachment inquiries who kept fucking working through it instead of calling up his favorite cable news hosts to issue hour long delusional lie filled rants on TV.

Part 3: Obligatory thoroughly debunked lies and conspiracy theories about Democrats.



The exact details might have evolved, but the geopolitical events were predicated back in 2015 when everyone presumed that the next US President would have a kick starter on her vibrator.

Just to refresh your memory, her is a contemporaneous article from before Trump was elected.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... /89769352/

Job One for POTUS Trump should have been the evacuation of US nuclear weapons then conventional forces from Turkey. Perhaps he covertly removed the nukes. However; Mattis and Tillerson would have opposed undermining the NATO alliance structure.

BTW, Hillary's vibrator is a 4 stroke, V twin, 1600 cc which she uses on her husband.
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Re: Russian Reannexation of Ukrain, Moldova and Belerus.
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:48 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
gcomeau wrote:Post summary.

Part 1: "Look at me describe how things are going to shit on Trump's watch after he screwed everything up... while remaining blissfully incapable of recognizing that what I am describing is Trump's failures and undermining of American influence and interests."

Part 2: Somehow the impeachment hearings, which Trump is not even participating in, are making it so Trump can't deal with this. Because he's basically a man sized toddler and can't focus on his job when shiny objects are distracting him, unlike every other president in history who faced impeachment inquiries who kept fucking working through it instead of calling up his favorite cable news hosts to issue hour long delusional lie filled rants on TV.

Part 3: Obligatory thoroughly debunked lies and conspiracy theories about Democrats.



The exact details might have evolved, but the geopolitical events were predicated back in 2015 when everyone presumed that the next US President would have a kick starter on her vibrator.

Just to refresh your memory, her is a contemporaneous article from before Trump was elected.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... /89769352/

Job One for POTUS Trump should have been the evacuation of US nuclear weapons then conventional forces from Turkey. Perhaps he covertly removed the nukes. However; Mattis and Tillerson would have opposed undermining the NATO alliance structure.

BTW, Hillary's vibrator is a 4 stroke, V twin, 1600 cc which she uses on her husband.


And, called on your BS, there is the bizarre (but completely unsurprising coming from TFLY) sexually themed diatribe about Hillary Clinton to derail the discussion.
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Re: Russian Reannexation of Ukrain, Moldova and Belerus.
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:57 pm

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I highly doubt that such actions may be advisable. In short, it would require rather... large-scale troop deployment. Not to mention, that Western Ukraine isn't exactly what we consider a worthy investment. Hostile population, little cultural ties remaining. Also, Poland have some interests here & it always good to have common interests with most military capable of your European neighbors (Germany military degraded to utterly embarrassing level)
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

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Re: Russian Reannexation of Ukrain, Moldova and Belerus.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:34 pm

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Dilandu wrote:I highly doubt that such actions may be advisable. In short, it would require rather... large-scale troop deployment. Not to mention, that Western Ukraine isn't exactly what we consider a worthy investment. Hostile population, little cultural ties remaining. Also, Poland have some interests here & it always good to have common interests with most military capable of your European neighbors (Germany military degraded to utterly embarrassing level)


The relationship between the US and Turkey is becoming so hostile that even if Russia has intentions, it would be advisable for Russia to just let things simmer. If Turkey gets to aggressive resisting the withdrawal of US nukes and other forces, NATO is likely to implode. Some countries like Belerus might even voluntarily integrate with Russia. Russia certainly doesn't need Ukrainian grain. With the German military degraded so embarrassingly, there is no plausible adversary in the region except Turkey that can threaten Russia. Better for Russia to be patient.

I presume that Russia has equipped the S-400 with a backdoor to keep Turkey from shooting down Russian planes.
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