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How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by penny   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:28 pm

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...and other miscellaneous details.


The current interchange (pun intended) between Thinksmarkedly and I in the humor thread (page 1977) about Honor's exemptions/immunity status from paying junction fees made me wonder how fees are actually collected.

Here on Earth one can make arrangements ahead of time for automatic billing according to your license tag. I suppose ship registry will substitute for license plates in the HV. But surely there is no fee booth? My guess would be laser payment receipt.


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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by penny   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:32 pm

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Are naval vessels given priority at all times regardless of whether there is a war?
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by penny   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:35 pm

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Is it possible to sprint through the junction without paying? We know that transiting through a WH to attack is fatal. But would a vessel necessarily be fired upon for attempting to transit without paying? Would the MBS destroy a vessel for a traffic violation? LOL

Is the penalty for junction fee evasion death?
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:06 pm

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penny wrote:Is it possible to sprint through the junction without paying? We know that transiting through a WH to attack is fatal. But would a vessel necessarily be fired upon for attempting to transit without paying? Would the MBS destroy a vessel for a traffic violation? LOL


Probably not. Vessels spend hours in the Junction zone, so arranging for payment in that time isn't difficult. If a ship hasn't paid for the transit and yet attempts to move into the departure lanes, the Traffic Control will send cutters to board the ship and move it away. If the ship pursues on this traffic, the RMN may intervene and send a destroyer, possibly shoot across the bow. And then send marines on an assault transport to forcibly make entry.

At which point, the ship is probably going to get impounded to pay for the fines.
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by Jonathan_S   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:09 pm

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penny wrote:Is it possible to sprint through the junction without paying? We know that transiting through a WH to attack is fatal. But would a vessel necessarily be fired upon for attempting to transit without paying? Would the MBS destroy a vessel for a traffic violation? LOL

Is the penalty for junction fee evasion death?

We know at least a Basilisk Station the pinnaces were used to assist in traffic control around that terminus.

Around any terminus with proper Astro Control a ship isn't likely to be able to "sprint" through the Junction by surprise because the Astro Control zone has to extend probably at least 20 minutes away from the terminus; and includes the holding areas and 'taxiways' where the ships queue up and are allowed to proceed. Of that only the last few minutes would be within the grav departure lane where wedges can't be used.

So a ship trying to skip the line and sprint for the terminus should be obvious in plenty of time to send an armed pinnace or whatever to, correct, their misbehavior by warning shot, boarding, or disabling the ship that was refusing to follow commands. (But if a ship did get into the grav lane I suspect your only remaining options would to let it go or to destroy it. At that point you can no longer board it; and I don't think there's really any disabling shots left as both its sails and hyper generator have become critical to its survival. Plus you can no longer get a pinnace close enough to make a high precision disabling shot anyway so you'd be left hitting it with a full up energy mount or laserhead missile :eek:)

Now, if someone else's warship was barging through, without permission, in time of peace you'd probably let them go and have your diplomats sort it with their diplomats after the fact. It's not worth potentially starting a war attempting to force a naval warship to follow Astro Control instruction.


As for how ships pay, I doubt it requires anything like a fastpass style automated toll road payment scheme. Those are designed to collect fees from upwards of 50 cars per minute passing a toll plaza without those cars needing to really slow down, knowing what cars are coming, or them requiring prior permission to pass through. A Junction is much more like ships marshaling themselves into a canal -- there's simply a lot more time to do the paperwork for the passing, and also to ensure payment has been received before you authorize them to approach the entrance.

I suspect most ships traveling through the Manticoran Junction do so often enough that they, or their shipping line, have a standing agreement with money deposited at Manticoran banks to cover the fees. But I suspect that some termini would take payment directly in things like Banco de Madrid credit chips for ships which aren't regular users of that terminus.
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:08 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Now, if someone else's warship was barging through, without permission, in time of peace you'd probably let them go and have your diplomats sort it with their diplomats after the fact. It's not worth potentially starting a war attempting to force a naval warship to follow Astro Control instruction.


Foreign warships may not have freedom of passage through the junction. I agree that if it attempted to force through, the RMN may opt to let it go rather than start a pointless war, or get service personnel killed by trying to board it. But it wouldn't be allowed to happen more than once: if the a warship from the same nation attempted to do it again, it would be shot out of the sky.

The host nation isn't required to allow foreign warships anywhere in space they control. They have to ask to enter it. If they have an engineering casualty, they may request succour and then will be required to leave ASAP once the issue is addressed. This includes warships from belligerents in some war that the host nation is neutral in, with limits on how much time or what it can do, if it doesn't want to be permanently interned.
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by tlb   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:22 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:The host nation isn't required to allow foreign warships anywhere in space they control. They have to ask to enter it. If they have an engineering casualty, they may request succour and then will be required to leave ASAP once the issue is addressed. This includes warships from belligerents in some war that the host nation is neutral in, with limits on how much time or what it can do, if it doesn't want to be permanently interned.

Since most (all?) wormholes are outside of recognized territorial limits, I would expect that warships have the same right to pass through a wormhole with the payment of the appropriate fee as any freighter or passenger ship; unless there has been a published diplomatic note excluding classes of vessels from specific systems.

A warship involved in a conflict, passing through a wormhole operated by a neutral nation, will obviously not stay around long in the neutral's area of interest.
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by Jonathan_S   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:18 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:Now, if someone else's warship was barging through, without permission, in time of peace you'd probably let them go and have your diplomats sort it with their diplomats after the fact. It's not worth potentially starting a war attempting to force a naval warship to follow Astro Control instruction.


Foreign warships may not have freedom of passage through the junction. I agree that if it attempted to force through, the RMN may opt to let it go rather than start a pointless war, or get service personnel killed by trying to board it. But it wouldn't be allowed to happen more than once: if the a warship from the same nation attempted to do it again, it would be shot out of the sky.

The host nation isn't required to allow foreign warships anywhere in space they control. They have to ask to enter it. If they have an engineering casualty, they may request succour and then will be required to leave ASAP once the issue is addressed. This includes warships from belligerents in some war that the host nation is neutral in, with limits on how much time or what it can do, if it doesn't want to be permanently interned.

Agreed. You've the right to bar some or all foreign warships from your area, or to set rules for their presence. And if someone shows up in deliberate violation of those rules your navy will likely have some ships rock up to remind them that they're unwelcome.

I was more thinking of a situation where there was a neutral warship that was allowed to be there that suddenly started ignoring Astro Control and heading for the terminus without any actual right to do so. (And yes, one of the consequences of that action might well be for their nation's ships to lose their rights to visit your space or use your termini)
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by penny   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:49 pm

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I got this funny image of the magnetic gate that opens and closes keeping vehicles from tailgating and going through on someone else's "dime". LoL


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Anyway, can't a vessel that just came in in the inbound lane simply cross over and get into the outbound lane while sails are still up?
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Re: How are junction fees paid and collected
Post by Jonathan_S   » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:24 pm

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penny wrote:Anyway, can't a vessel that just came in in the inbound lane simply cross over and get into the outbound lane while sails are still up?

Probably not, not even if it wanted to head back to the same terminus it just arrived from.

But any other terminus would have lanes pointing quite a different direction (or the Lynx ones would have been easier to find) and so I'm 99% sure you'd have to leave the lane you arrived in and loop around under wedge to the entrance of the departure lane for one of the other termini.

And even for returning to the same terminus, the ship just discharged its hyper generator to transit the wormhole. That should be just like exiting hyper; you've got to recharge the generator before you can leave. So (varying somewhat by ship size and generator type) IIRC a ship is going to need at least 15 minutes before it can use its hyper generator again. So even if it could make a U-Turn under sail it could actually leave...


And even for the same terminus RFC hasn't explained them in enough detail to know whether it'd be possible to make such a U-Turn under sail and get back to an exit point. We just don't know whether the entrance and exit lanes for a given terminus are shared, adjacent, or separated.
* If it's one bi-directional lane just split for human traffic control conventions into entry and exit channels then yeah, you'd probably be able to hit the reverse and head back towards the combined entry/exit point.
* If the entry/exit points are separate but basically adjacent within a common pair grav lanes you might be able to slip across from one to the other while under sail. (Though we've never heard of a ship even thinking about trying to exit the side of an arrival lane; so maybe not)
* And if they physically separate grav lanes for arrival and departure then you'd obviously need to use something other than sail to get across the physical gap between them.
(But we just don't know if any of those descriptions apply. Still, the hyper generate recharge delay probably renders that all moot for your specific scenario)
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