[Spoilers] 1920 PD – Silesian Command

Manticore received 35 planets when it annexed the “Eastern” portion of Silesia in PD 1919 at the beginning of the 2nd Havenite War, spelling the and of a centuries long era of bloody pirate and insurgency battles with rebellious system governments which marked the existence of the Silesian Confederacy.

All the worlds of Silesia are modern, average 1900’s level worlds with average 1900s level industry ( ie, less automation and lower tech than Manticore, or a tech level equal to, and education level higher than, Haven in 1900) and average populations in the low Billions.

40% of planets have at least 1 small orbital shipyard, and 3 planet have naval quality shipyards - Silesia itself has a Naval shipyard capable of building Classic BCs, Posnan can build up to CAs, and Saginaw can build DD/CLs. The rest of Silesia’s Naval warship shipyards are in Andermani hands. While most of the planetary shipyards can only build freighters or small warships like LACs, Corvettes, Frigates and small Destroyers, others (Like those in the Chalice) may have the ability to build warships as large as Heavy Cruisers in small #s. Those planetary shipyards historically built small warships on the side and sold them to pirates or planetary SDFs when they didn’t have a sizeable order to keep the yards busy – Idle hands don’t make profit, and either pirates will buy, or SDFs will buy just to keep the ship out of pirate hands.

Admiral Sarnow has appointed you to head the Silesian Sector’s War Materials board. Part of this role is keeping these shipyards “happy” so they don’t continue to operate in the “usual way”. How would you tie in Sarnow’s responsibilities of pacifying the Silesian planets and Navy?

Knowing that Silesian shipyards cannot build Manticorian level warships, and the MMM is largely sitting idle currently due to oversaturation of their remaining, limited shipping volumes, what would you do to keep idle hands busy and promote positive economic gains?

How would this change in 1922, after the Yawatta Strike?
Again in 1925, as the 6 new major stations start to come on line in Manticore, what would be your short and long range plans for Silesian manufacturing?

(Posnan is actually on the border line with the Andermani - it may be in Manticorian hands, it might not be. But for the sake of this mental exercise, consider it a Manticorian asset and responsibility.)

Start building as many DD's as humanly possible as Manticore and company just became the policeman, or more likely de facto arbiter for the foreseeable future, of the HV as everyone will be splintering. To be an arbiter one needs presence first. A great historical precedent is collapse of Roman empire... which regions of said collapse did well? Those who raised their own army and patrolled far and wide pretending to still be the Roman empire. Or any portion of Chinese history which has gone through numerous such empire expansions, collapses, warlord infighting, stabilizing, being conquered by outside powers and then expanding once again.

Next, start building gargantuan heavy heavy heavy armored forts to house massive numbers of FTL transmitters for both offensive and defensive capability. ALA Galton. Attach hyper generators and ship, or maybe 8Mton sections to assemble later... and ship them to not only alliance space systems but all of the GA's new friends who have nothing but who will soon have to fend off every damned pirate in the galaxy as the solarian league(for all their faults did patrol vast regions of space) has been neutered and will continually collapse inward down to a rump of its former size.

Even if you do not give FTL to the friends and family plan, basic light speed based missile forts whose shipping time does not have to be all that fast can be done this way.

PS: With the gargantuan ranges of offensive missiles + advent of spider drive and stealthed super long range attack drons/missile, freighters will have to start entering systems at designated points where permanent forts will be stationed if they want any amount of protection as being inside the hyper limit doesn't protect anyone anymore.

Lunch break over, gotta go. Sorry, wordy, not well thought out.

How about sending a proposal to see Manticore is or will be brokering deals to let MMM back into the SL.2 (and those parts of the SL that have broken off AND then non-SL Systems who were impacted when Lacoon I went into effect?

1st, it will let Manticore Merchant shipping at least attempt to pick up old routes without massive fines for non-performance due to the effectively war conditions

2nd, it would like some of hose ships start moving cargos from both the greater (former ) SL area out into Silesia along with from the allied systems.in the GA including Manticore as it gets some of it's industries back on-line for other than military hardware so they can sell in Silesia

The various banks and commercial equipment financing companies (many of which have branches if not headquartered on Manticore) could also get a push from the Government to get ships that have been foreclosed on off the troubled assets list and back into service. Heck, they could even end up putting many of the original crews and owners-on-board back in the business by using them as crew on some variation of a lease to purchase arrangement with government guarantees. Those idle ships represent an increasing loss to the lenders- 1st because they can't get anything back on the loans without either selling them (a lot of capacity going wasted but who can afford to buy now) and they can't reinvest money represented by those millions of tons of idle shipping. They also have to pay insurance on the ships and they are probably already keeping people on-board to handle maintenance and station keeping along with the power plants and environmental systems going.

Word could be sent out through the systems of freight brokers that ships would become available in the now and former SL area (which isn't anywhere close to having built enough ships to take up the volume that Lacoon I took away with MMM shipping going home.
Take a load of scrap/ reclaimed material from Manticore to Beowulf, get cargos out of Beowulf and /or other systems- particularly for w/i the now/former SL systems but to Silesia and you have trade moving.

Unless Manticore is going to upgrade some shipyard in the East part of Silesia as a Naval Shipyard capable of building at least up to Cruiser mission ships to be used initially in Silesia with DD or MD missiles you are not going to build warships in Silesia with "classic" designed and weapons. We just saw Sarnow's plan to decommission effectively all of the Silesian Navy and SDFs out there.

I’d just order up more magic shipyards from where tje one at Manticore are coming from. The

Do we think Sidemore and it's Manticore Base shipyard can build the multi-drive missiles and is ready to build current version SEM ships below BC size as well as repair SEM ships up to SD size?

With the ordering of so many ConFed ships (and others) to the Terrence and Caroline systems for decommissioning and scrapping (after stripping what can be used elsewhere) it sounded like one or perhaps both of them might be locations of new yards for Manticore. There is going to be a lot recycling and that there was reclamation and and probably sufficient fabrication available to do something with all that material other than ship it elsewhere.

In order to build modern SEM ships, even if those two systems have yards capable of building warships up to Cruiser size, you are going to have to build the fabrication and train the people to manufacture the current SEM equipment.

Just exactly how many Treecats does Sarnow have available such that all the people who are going to be involved in this can be screened- not to mention all the politicians etc in the Manticorian half of Silesia? '

So many questions

Do we think Sidemore and it's Manticore Base shipyard can build the multi-drive missiles and is ready to build current version SEM ships below BC size as well as repair SEM ships up to SD size?

With the ordering of so many ConFed ships (and others) to the Terrence and Caroline systems for decommissioning and scrapping (after stripping what can be used elsewhere) it sounded like one or perhaps both of them might be locations of new yards for Manticore. There is going to be a lot recycling and that there was reclamation and and probably sufficient fabrication available to do something with all that material other than ship it elsewhere.

In order to build modern SEM ships, even if those two systems have yards capable of building warships up to Cruiser size, you are going to have to build the fabrication and train the people to manufacture the current SEM equipment.

Just exactly how many Treecats does Sarnow have available such that all the people who are going to be involved in this can be screened- not to mention all the politicians etc in the Manticorian half of Silesia? '

So many questions

Do we think Sidemore and it's Manticore Base shipyard can build the multi-drive missiles and is ready to build current version SEM ships below BC size as well as repair SEM ships up to SD size?

With the ordering of so many ConFed ships (and others) to the Terrence and Caroline systems for decommissioning and scrapping (after stripping what can be used elsewhere) it sounded like one or perhaps both of them might be locations of new yards for Manticore. There is going to be a lot recycling and that there was reclamation and and probably sufficient fabrication available to do something with all that material other than ship it elsewhere.

In order to build modern SEM ships, even if those two systems have yards capable of building warships up to Cruiser size, you are going to have to build the fabrication and train the people to manufacture the current SEM equipment.

Just exactly how many Treecats does Sarnow have available such that all the people who are going to be involved in this can be screened- not to mention all the politicians etc in the Manticorian half of Silesia? '

So many questions

Do we think Sidemore and it's Manticore Base shipyard can build the multi-drive missiles and is ready to build current version SEM ships below BC size as well as repair SEM ships up to SD size?

With the ordering of so many ConFed ships (and others) to the Terrence and Caroline systems for decommissioning and scrapping (after stripping what can be used elsewhere) it sounded like one or perhaps both of them might be locations of new yards for Manticore. There is going to be a lot recycling and that there was reclamation and and probably sufficient fabrication available to do something with all that material other than ship it elsewhere.

In order to build modern SEM ships, even if those two systems have yards capable of building warships up to Cruiser size, you are going to have to build the fabrication and train the people to manufacture the current SEM equipment.

Just exactly how many Treecats does Sarnow have available such that all the people who are going to be involved in this can be screened- not to mention all the politicians etc in the Manticorian half of Silesia? '

So many questions

Brigade XO wrote:Do we think Sidemore and it's Manticore Base shipyard can build the multi-drive missiles and is ready to build current version SEM ships below BC size as well as repair SEM ships up to SD size?

With the ordering of so many ConFed ships (and others) to the Terrence and Caroline systems for decommissioning and scrapping (after stripping what can be used elsewhere) it sounded like one or perhaps both of them might be locations of new yards for Manticore. There is going to be a lot recycling and that there was reclamation and and probably sufficient fabrication available to do something with all that material other than ship it elsewhere.

In order to build modern SEM ships, even if those two systems have yards capable of building warships up to Cruiser size, you are going to have to build the fabrication and train the people to manufacture the current SEM equipment.

Just exactly how many Treecats does Sarnow have available such that all the people who are going to be involved in this can be screened- not to mention all the politicians etc in the Manticorian half of Silesia? '

So many questions

Talbott was getting 1 ship for every 2 ships going to Silesia - out of all the ships at Tabbott, there were 2-3 Treecats I believe. So say 4-6 Treecats or so prior to the Yawatta strike would be a decent baseline.

Prior to the Yawatta strike, The RMN had just built a "missile factory in a box" for Mk 23 E missiles and shipped it to the Andies, and after the strike supplied the blueprints to Beowulf for them to produce Mk 23 D and Es there. I would think an emphasis would be on more of these "factories in a box" to disperse production around the Empire.

Theemile wrote:Prior to the Yawatta strike, The RMN had just built a "missile factory in a box" for Mk 23 E missiles and shipped it to the Andies, and after the strike supplied the blueprints to Beowulf for them to produce Mk 23 D and Es there. I would think an emphasis would be on more of these "factories in a box" to disperse production around the Empire.

No, the Andies were completely dependent on RMN supplied Mk-23 missiles per what David told me directly at Honorcon during a session.

The RMN sent a team with a full set of design & production documentation to IAN HQ after the disaster, not sure what the time from that to first missile production is. Based on the ability of Beowulf to build missiles I'd say not long unless plot.

The RMN shipped a packaged factory to Blackbird right before the attack at blackbird, and it was destroyed.