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_A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?

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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:40 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:Or maybe five and a half degrees: ships do need to turn over for deceleration. Does that mean a real turning of the ship (pitching or yawing 180°, or a combination of both resulting in the same thing), or simply changing the direction of the acceleration vector? They do say "turnover" but that could be a left-over from when ships used reaction engines. Do we get an explicit explanation either way somewhere?


The answer to that is in ACTA.

A Call to Arms, ch. 19 wrote:Gensonne mouthed a curse as he looked back at the status board where more green was filling in around Copperhead's red lights. Should he give Copperhead a few extra minutes? The Manticoran force was in deceleration mode, their kilts to the incoming Volsungs as they aimed for a zero-zero with the distant Naglfar that was now well behind the advance force.
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by Jonathan_S   » Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:49 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:
ThinksMarkedly wrote:Or maybe five and a half degrees: ships do need to turn over for deceleration. Does that mean a real turning of the ship (pitching or yawing 180°, or a combination of both resulting in the same thing), or simply changing the direction of the acceleration vector? They do say "turnover" but that could be a left-over from when ships used reaction engines. Do we get an explicit explanation either way somewhere?


The answer to that is in ACTA.

A Call to Arms, ch. 19 wrote:Gensonne mouthed a curse as he looked back at the status board where more green was filling in around Copperhead's red lights. Should he give Copperhead a few extra minutes? The Manticoran force was in deceleration mode, their kilts to the incoming Volsungs as they aimed for a zero-zero with the distant Naglfar that was now well behind the advance force.

Ah good - I'd had the impression that the whole ship pitched over in order to slow down. (Though the description of sails, when it talks about negative grab factor, seems to imply that those can speed up and slow down without necessarily pulling a turnover manouver).

And logically if only the wedge reversed then it'd complicate things for podlayers. When they're in the deceleration phase of a flight the pods they'd be rolling out their stern, behind them, would be overtaking the ship as it continued to slow -- so you'd have to worry about getting rear ended by your own pods :lol: (Though with enough tractor pressor units you could presumably have managed it -- by shoving the pods far enough to the sides that they'd slide past the length of the ship instead of running into it. Still, since the ships do seem to physically flip you'd eject the pods ahead of you, and then slow down so their base velocity carries them further and further ahead of the ship; rather than initially towards it)
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:36 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Ah good - I'd had the impression that the whole ship pitched over in order to slow down. (Though the description of sails, when it talks about negative grab factor, seems to imply that those can speed up and slow down without necessarily pulling a turnover manouver).


It does. That's exactly the point: it was going kilt first, meaning the aft end of the ship first.

There are passages later in the battle that describe this neatly. First, Casey and the two corvettes from Janus force pitch over to reverse orientation and begin accelerating towards Bogey Two (the Volsung's advance force). This was noted by both sides as an unorthodox manoeuvre because, at this time, sensors didn't work through the wedge, so during the two minutes that the ships are pitching, they can't see anything. Except that the enemy can't see anything inside the wedges either, so they couldn't see those three ships lobbing missiles out and holding them ready to activate their wedges.

Second, the Aegis force also turns from deceleration to acceleration towards the same Bogey, but this time with a yaw manoeuvre and without sidewalls, so they would never lose sensor contact with the Volsungs. Sensing through sidewalls wasn't completely impossible at this time, but difficult enough that this was preferred and that one ship was usually left behind in a "com position" to relay messages. It was this standard manoeuvre that convinced Gensonne that Casey's success was a fluke and that Locatelli was uninspired.

And logically if only the wedge reversed then it'd complicate things for podlayers. When they're in the deceleration phase of a flight the pods they'd be rolling out their stern, behind them, would be overtaking the ship as it continued to slow -- so you'd have to worry about getting rear ended by your own pods :lol: (Though with enough tractor pressor units you could presumably have managed it -- by shoving the pods far enough to the sides that they'd slide past the length of the ship instead of running into it. Still, since the ships do seem to physically flip you'd eject the pods ahead of you, and then slow down so their base velocity carries them further and further ahead of the ship; rather than initially towards it)


Doesn't matter the orientation. Anything that comes out of the kilt of an impeller ship that is accelerating would look to the ship to be "shooting out" of said aspect of the wedge because the ship is accelerating in the opposite orientation.

Another detail I noticed on the ACTA battle: ships must stop accelerating to fire missiles. That's because those missiles are chase armaments, not broadside, and specifically they're meant to exit from the throat of the wedge. So they need to get clear enough of the ship with their boosters, before they can bring up their own wedges. If the ship is accelerating, it'll overtake those missiles and the best case scenario if that happens is that they simply impact the bow, damaging whatever is there.

During early Honor-time battles, missiles are mostly launched from broadside launchers because there are more of them than chase, which means the ship is not accelerating towards its target. It might be accelerating laterally, though. Later, once off-bore launching becomes possible, they wouldn't need to stop accelerating at all.
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by Fox2!   » Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:41 pm

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My copy of ACTI arrived today.
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by isaac_newton   » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:18 am

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Fox2! wrote:My copy of ACTI arrived today.


[envy] :cry: [/envy]
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:55 am

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Fox2! wrote:My copy of ACTI arrived today.


Found a copy in a Barnes & Noble store today (Jan 29th).
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:02 am

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:
Found a copy in a Barnes & Noble store today (Jan 29th).


It's midnight Eastern Time, Feb 1, 2022. My Kindle copy arrived.
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by maddoc   » Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:27 pm

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Does anyone know if there is an audiobook coming? I could not find any information about a release date or that it is being released at all.
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Re: _A Call to Insurrection_ coming in February 2022?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:05 pm

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maddoc wrote:Does anyone know if there is an audiobook coming? I could not find any information about a release date or that it is being released at all.


Neither Governor nor TEIF audio versions have come out, so it isn't looking good. We don't know why.

But it might happen, because narration and the rights don't need to follow a particular timeline.
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