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A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by sansos   » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:09 pm

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I just got done re-reading the Honor-series and I'm wondering if RFC watched a British news satire called The Day Today and named his intrepid reporter after one Peter O'Hanrahahanrahan, a definite beta to the O'Hanrahan genotype?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnS07NS8110
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by kzt   » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:09 pm

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You don’t have to reach that far. Walter Duranty is the obvious archetype of a reporter who is secretly working for a murderous organization while pretending to report on them honestly. He’s the guy who every NY Times reporter wants to be, winning a Pulitzer prize for best coverup of a mass murdering Communist dictator.
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:55 pm

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Hello sansos

Welcome to the forum!

A beta for an alpha? An intriguing question!

But I don't think so. David Weber does not seem to make the references and archetypes he uses obvious. As kzt said, he might have based on a different person or fictitious character, but come up with the name through a different process. I suspect he has a list of names ready to be used and he just picks one of them at random, if he doesn't need specific traits.

Though he probably does need traits more often than not. All Andermani names are of a very specific construction and most Havenite ones are too. And of course, planets with ethnic populations in the Verge require the same (Polish, Czech or Scottish-sounding names, to name a few). So he probably has several lists.

And then there's Rob S. Pierre and Saint-Just...
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by Theemile   » Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:10 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:Hello sansos

Welcome to the forum!

A beta for an alpha? An intriguing question!

But I don't think so. David Weber does not seem to make the references and archetypes he uses obvious. As kzt said, he might have based on a different person or fictitious character, but come up with the name through a different process. I suspect he has a list of names ready to be used and he just picks one of them at random, if he doesn't need specific traits.

Though he probably does need traits more often than not. All Andermani names are of a very specific construction and most Havenite ones are too. And of course, planets with ethnic populations in the Verge require the same (Polish, Czech or Scottish-sounding names, to name a few). So he probably has several lists.

And then there's Rob S. Pierre and Saint-Just...


or the Renaissance Factor's 12 director's... er... planetary leaders.
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:37 pm

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Theemile wrote:
ThinksMarkedly wrote:And then there's Rob S. Pierre and Saint-Just...


or the Renaissance Factor's 12 director's... er... planetary leaders.


Ah, but not all of them. I do wonder if I missed a reference, though:
  1. Chief Counsel Nikomedes Kakadelis of Thrace
  2. Director Vincent Stone of New Orkney
  3. King Clinton III of New Madagascar
  4. Pres. Anton Polanski of Line
  5. Marquis Reynaldo Lucas IV of Denver
  6. Chairwoman Joan Kubrick of the Maxwell Association
  7. Pres. Rebecca Monticelli of Comstock
  8. Pres. Stanley Huskainen of Mannerheim
  9. Chancellor Robert Tarantino of New Bombay
  10. Chancellor Walter Ford of the Second Chance Republic
  11. Pres. Roman Hitchcock of Visigoth

Roman Polanski, Hitchcock, Tarantino, Stanley Kubrick, (George) Lucas, (Oliver) Stone are easy. But Monticelli was a painter, not a director. Nikomedes Kakadelis doesn't ring a bell and "Clinton" only reminds me of US political figures. Am I missing anyone?
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by Fox2!   » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:08 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:
Theemile wrote:
or the Renaissance Factor's 12 director's... er... planetary leaders.


Ah, but not all of them. I do wonder if I missed a reference, though:
  1. Chief Counsel Nikomedes Kakadelis of Thrace
  2. Director Vincent Stone of New Orkney
  3. King Clinton III of New Madagascar
  4. Pres. Anton Polanski of Line
  5. Marquis Reynaldo Lucas IV of Denver
  6. Chairwoman Joan Kubrick of the Maxwell Association
  7. Pres. Rebecca Monticelli of Comstock
  8. Pres. Stanley Huskainen of Mannerheim
  9. Chancellor Robert Tarantino of New Bombay
  10. Chancellor Walter Ford of the Second Chance Republic
  11. Pres. Roman Hitchcock of Visigoth



Isn't Albrecht the twelfth member? Or is he ex officio?
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:52 pm

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Fox2! wrote:
ThinksMarkedly wrote:Ah, but not all of them. I do wonder if I missed a reference, though:
  1. Chief Counsel Nikomedes Kakadelis of Thrace
  2. Director Vincent Stone of New Orkney
  3. King Clinton III of New Madagascar
  4. Pres. Anton Polanski of Line
  5. Marquis Reynaldo Lucas IV of Denver
  6. Chairwoman Joan Kubrick of the Maxwell Association
  7. Pres. Rebecca Monticelli of Comstock
  8. Pres. Stanley Huskainen of Mannerheim
  9. Chancellor Robert Tarantino of New Bombay
  10. Chancellor Walter Ford of the Second Chance Republic
  11. Pres. Roman Hitchcock of Visigoth



Isn't Albrecht the twelfth member? Or is he ex officio?


I suppose you meant as the Darius system executive, which he was. But Darius isn't an official member, so he wouldn't show up as in the official RF executive list. He's the real power behind the scenes, something most conspiracy theories say exist, but in this case is true.

Mesa isn't a member either.
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by Vince   » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:28 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:
Theemile wrote:
or the Renaissance Factor's 12 director's... er... planetary leaders.


Ah, but not all of them. I do wonder if I missed a reference, though:
  1. Chief Counsel Nikomedes Kakadelis of Thrace
  2. Director Vincent Stone of New Orkney
  3. King Clinton III of New Madagascar
  4. Pres. Anton Polanski of Line
  5. Marquis Reynaldo Lucas IV of Denver
  6. Chairwoman Joan Kubrick of the Maxwell Association
  7. Pres. Rebecca Monticelli of Comstock
  8. Pres. Stanley Huskainen of Mannerheim
  9. Chancellor Robert Tarantino of New Bombay
  10. Chancellor Walter Ford of the Second Chance Republic
  11. Pres. Roman Hitchcock of Visigoth

Roman Polanski, Hitchcock, Tarantino, Stanley Kubrick, (George) Lucas, (Oliver) Stone are easy. But Monticelli was a painter, not a director. Nikomedes Kakadelis doesn't ring a bell and "Clinton" only reminds me of US political figures. Am I missing anyone?

No, you didn't miss anyone.
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by Fox2!   » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:00 am

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:
Ah, but not all of them. I do wonder if I missed a reference, though:
  1. Chief Counsel Nikomedes Kakadelis of Thrace
  2. Director Vincent Stone of New Orkney
  3. King Clinton III of New Madagascar
  4. Pres. Anton Polanski of Line
  5. Marquis Reynaldo Lucas IV of Denver
  6. Chairwoman Joan Kubrick of the Maxwell Association
  7. Pres. Rebecca Monticelli of Comstock
  8. Pres. Stanley Huskainen of Mannerheim
  9. Chancellor Robert Tarantino of New Bombay
  10. Chancellor Walter Ford of the Second Chance Republic
  11. Pres. Roman Hitchcock of Visigoth

Roman Polanski, Hitchcock, Tarantino, Stanley Kubrick, (George) Lucas, (Oliver) Stone are easy. But Monticelli was a painter, not a director. Nikomedes Kakadelis doesn't ring a bell and "Clinton" only reminds me of US political figures. Am I missing anyone?


John Ford, director of Westerns, and The Quiet Man. Huskainen is unknown to Wiki. Hurskainen has several entries.
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Re: A backhanded inspiration for Audrey O'Hanrahan?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:32 pm

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Fox2! wrote:John Ford, director of Westerns, and The Quiet Man. Huskainen is unknown to Wiki. Hurskainen has several entries.


Well, those are existing surnames so there are relatively important people to have born them. Like Janacek / Janáček. I was just wondering if one of those could be the one RFC was thinking of.

"Ford" reminds me of Francis Ford Coppola.
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