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Re: What happens to all that debris?
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:22 pm

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cthia wrote:I am none too sure of that. Recall scenes when forces hyper into a system. It would take a long time before the blood-red icons of enemy ships to change to the color of friendlies.

Because, before the days of FTL equipped system recon nets you had to wait for the lightspeed emissions to reach you before you could tell anything but approximate tonnage (which you can get FTL by looking at their wedge)

The lightspeed signals you'd need to tell if a BC was friend or foe travel more slowly and could take 10 minutes to reach you, even if the ships emerged at the closest point on the hyper limit to the system defense command.

But that delay on recognizing newly hypered in ships doesn't matter for this scenario.

Because:
1) The tonnage of a Sultan-class BC is nearly 3 times that of a Star Knight. So they're trivial to tell apart simply by the approximate tonnage you can see via the FTL emissions of their wedges. White Haven knew which was which, and their course, speed, and acceleration all via FTL looks at their wedges.

2) The newly emerged ships don't have to wait to see lightspeed emissions from ships already in the system. What they do see is old, but even old emissions can let you classify a ship as friendly or not.

3) By the time the missiles get close enough to start thinking about engaging the lightspeed lag between them and the potential targets is down to a few seconds or less. So they've got recent lightspeed emissions to look at and plenty of time to check those against targeting profiles.
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Re: What happens to all that debris?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:21 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:2) The newly emerged ships don't have to wait to see lightspeed emissions from ships already in the system. What they do see is old, but even old emissions can let you classify a ship as friendly or not.


This is of course for passive detection. Active radar, on the other hand, would take long, but if White Haven had lit up the Thunder of God with targetting radar and waited for the returns to fire, even the inexperienced Masadans would have noticed.

Active targetting radar is the universal signal for "prepare yourself, let's do battle."
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Re: What happens to all that debris?
Post by Loren Pechtel   » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:35 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:
Loren Pechtel wrote:And how are you packing them like sardines? You have something that can place them like that without disturbing the ships nearby?? Your reaction jets are going to toss the nearby ships around.


Why would you use jets?

Just use a tug with an overpowered impeller. Those things can move 9-million-tonne freighters. Moving a 7-million tonne SD is easy-peasy.


And smash everything else with it's wedge in the process.
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Re: What happens to all that debris?
Post by Loren Pechtel   » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:49 pm

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cthia wrote:The LDs probably will not be broadcasting any transponder or any other signal that with distinguish them from the enemy. So, if g-torps don't have a way to distinguish an ally, then an ally might get acquired.


No--a g-torp should have no problem telling the difference between a spider-drive ship and a wedge-drive ship.
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Re: What happens to all that debris?
Post by Loren Pechtel   » Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:52 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:In the case of White Haven and BatCruRun 17 coming to Honor's help, Honor's ship had IFF running. The missiles wouldn't attack Fearless. I'm actually more surprised that they managed to get into range of Thunder of God to attack in the first place. Those missiles were flying ballistically, they wouldn't be able to close with the battlecruiser if it weren't where White Haven expected it to be.


It was specifically noted that the idiots on Thunder of God weren't doing the standard practice of evasive maneuvers. A ballistic shot requires predicting the target's location within the accuracy of the warhead range--Honorverse tracking is good enough for that if the target doesn't zig.
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Re: What happens to all that debris?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:33 pm

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Loren Pechtel wrote:
ThinksMarkedly wrote:Just use a tug with an overpowered impeller. Those things can move 9-million-tonne freighters. Moving a 7-million tonne SD is easy-peasy.


And smash everything else with it's wedge in the process.


Wedge and tractor. Tugs can move ships close to space stations, building slips and other "fragile" infrastructure. So they must have a way of moving those ships without getting so close that their own wedge would destroy the installation in question.

If they can do that, they can do the same to a moon.
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