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Post by Brigade XO   » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:10 pm

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Hasta shows up and the research people jump into a massive evaluation because they are starting to understand that "something is wrong" and they don't know what has been going on and they don't have a way of delivering missiles to RMN (or any GA) target.

That this stuff is coming from TIY isn't all that surprising (to the SLN) as they have been dealing with that company for centuries. Lots of stuff has come and gone and we don't know how much got as far as serious evaluation by SLN. Of course, TIY has lots of clients and their needs vary. But, you would expect any qualified evaluation of new weapons systems (even if they are a slight improvement over existing capabilites) would want background from the developer and include it in the reporting and recommendations. Or the SLN is so corruption ridden that that kind of thing was routinely skipped in favor of large bribes and presents.

The Alignment has actually had a much petter finger on the paths of development in anything the SLN has been doing as well as anywhere else. They were watching the Haven-Manticore war and trying to learn the basis of the advances though both sides were very closed to outsiders. The other thing to consider is that the Alignment also had a vested interest in maneuvering the SLN (and so many other places) into very tiny incremental movements in design and weapons. Why?
The 1st thing that comes to mind is that they didn't want them making major breakthroughs on their own and could probably stifle various lines of research quietly. Another is that they were in a position to siphon off a lot of money for what were increasingly less and less effective tech at the same time as limiting the SLN (and other's) effectiveness. While the SLN had the mass of thousands of ships to smash any potential opponent (the 800 lb gorilla effect) it required the SLN to focus enough ships and hardware at a target to do that. Sure, intimidation works wonders but when you eventually run into someone who is not intimidated (or is forced to fight) and actually does have superior weapons and tactics) then that part of the gorilla is now just carrion fit only for recycling.
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Re: ?
Post by kzt   » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:47 pm

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Yes, Technodyne Industries is on the General Board of Mesa.

"Pearson herself was Vice President of Operations (Mesa) for Technodyne Industries, which was how she found herself on the General Board. Technodyne had suffered major losses—both financially and in terms of prestige—after the disaster of the Battle of Monica, although it had recovered much of the lost ground by providing its newly developed Cataphract long-range missile to the Solarian League Navy. Overall, its position on the General Board was still weaker than it had been, as Pearson was only too well aware. She’d gotten her start in Technodyne’s public relations division, however. That gave her a somewhat different perspective from many of her colleagues, who seemed blissfully unaware of—or, even worse, dismissive of—the public relations implications of what they were discussing, and all of her instincts were ringing loud, insistent alarm bells as she listened to Snyder and McGillicuddy."
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Re: ?
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:54 pm

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Brigade XO wrote:That this stuff is coming from TIY isn't all that surprising (to the SLN) as they have been dealing with that company for centuries. Lots of stuff has come and gone and we don't know how much got as far as serious evaluation by SLN. Of course, TIY has lots of clients and their needs vary. But, you would expect any qualified evaluation of new weapons systems (even if they are a slight improvement over existing capabilites) would want background from the developer and include it in the reporting and recommendations. Or the SLN is so corruption ridden that that kind of thing was routinely skipped in favor of large bribes and presents.


I don't think they were so corrupt that it was routinely skipped, but it did happen. However, in the time of crunch, they may have skipped looking at the gift horse's mouth.
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Re: ?
Post by cthia   » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:27 am

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Brigade XO wrote:Hasta shows up and the research people jump into a massive evaluation because they are starting to understand that "something is wrong" and they don't know what has been going on and they don't have a way of delivering missiles to RMN (or any GA) target.

That this stuff is coming from TIY isn't all that surprising (to the SLN) as they have been dealing with that company for centuries. Lots of stuff has come and gone and we don't know how much got as far as serious evaluation by SLN. Of course, TIY has lots of clients and their needs vary. But, you would expect any qualified evaluation of new weapons systems (even if they are a slight improvement over existing capabilites) would want background from the developer and include it in the reporting and recommendations. Or the SLN is so corruption ridden that that kind of thing was routinely skipped in favor of large bribes and presents.

The Alignment has actually had a much petter finger on the paths of development in anything the SLN has been doing as well as anywhere else. They were watching the Haven-Manticore war and trying to learn the basis of the advances though both sides were very closed to outsiders. The other thing to consider is that the Alignment also had a vested interest in maneuvering the SLN (and so many other places) into very tiny incremental movements in design and weapons. Why?
The 1st thing that comes to mind is that they didn't want them making major breakthroughs on their own and could probably stifle various lines of research quietly. Another is that they were in a position to siphon off a lot of money for what were increasingly less and less effective tech at the same time as limiting the SLN (and other's) effectiveness. While the SLN had the mass of thousands of ships to smash any potential opponent (the 800 lb gorilla effect) it required the SLN to focus enough ships and hardware at a target to do that. Sure, intimidation works wonders but when you eventually run into someone who is not intimidated (or is forced to fight) and actually does have superior weapons and tactics) then that part of the gorilla is now just carrion fit only for recycling.

That is a very good point. Certainly if applied to any reasonable navy that they would want full disclosure of the tech, limitations, etc. I would also expect them to go one step further as does the USN, of demanding certain specs. But in adopting the arrogance and complacency of the SL along with the fact that the Gorilla's testicles were in a vise,* then all bets are off. I still wonder how much any navy is entitled to.

If Elon Musk is given a shot at the F-35 competitor, how much of that research is the navy entitled to? Other than the delivery of a certain number of jets capable of the requested specs.

* Talk about having your testicles in a vise, see the movie I Spit on Your Grave . . .

OMG! The SLN was in a touchy situation. I think I'm gonna pass out.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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