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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by Weird Harold   » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:26 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:If the Grand Alliance (GA) had any long term planning sense, perhaps they will just hang onto all the various sized captured Sollie warships. There must be many uses for which they could be used, both short term and long term. However, there may be a problem with that.


The main problem with finding any sort of use by anyone is manning; SLN ships require up to five times the manpower equivalent GA ship classes require. The SLN ships are manpower intensive, fuel inefficient, and unsurvivable against anything except the SLN and some pirates.

HB of CJ wrote:If I were ordered to "slag down" a captured enemy warships computer and weapon systems, just how would I do so?


Enter the wrong password four times -- or one more than the system allows for errors. :shock: Or do whatever Adm Henke's IT specialists did to trigger the anti-tampering security features of Adm Byng's survivors.

HB of CJ wrote:Would I also receive orders to do such with a notion or idea or potential for future use out of the aforementioned Sollie warship?


Since the ships are uneconomical and antiquated, there is no more consideration than would be given to a fleet of Stanley Steamers or WWI era Mack trucks captured by any modern military.

HB of CJ wrote:What does "slag" mean?


It means "Let every last bit of magic smoke out of the equipment." Releasing the magic smoke generally is accompanied by sparks and heat enough to melt the equipment once the magic smoke is free.

In other words, "To Slag" is shorthand for "turn into slag" -- slag: the glass-like by-product left over after a desired metal has been separated (i.e., smelted) from its raw ore.
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Re: Honorverse series, the future..?
Post by kzt   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:13 am

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HB of CJ wrote:If the Grand Alliance (GA) had any long term planning sense, perhaps they will just hang onto all the various sized captured Sollie warships. Ther must be many uses for which they could be used, both short term and long term. However, there may be a problem with that.

If I were ordered to "slag down" a captured enemy warships computer and weapon systems, just how would I do so? Would I also receive orders to do such with a notion or idea or potential for future use out of the aforementioned Sollie warship? What does "slag" mean?

If it meant just making sure the captured warship was not going anywhere and not shooting anything, then it may be possible to just "decommission" the various computer systems throughout the ship. Physical destruction may not be required, nor desired.

But....the problem with that is that it may be possible to undo whatever was done. Therefore it would also be necessary to physically disable the weapons systems. My fear again is that all of these captured light Sollie ships may end up having a nasty use sometime in the future.

Just me. HB of CJ (old coot) Lt.Cm. But, they could be put to good use also. It all depends upon the future situation. The Dark Ages are coming after all the shooting stops.

There are thousands of quite deadly missiles in every SDs magazine. It will take a huge amount of work to remove them, particularly from the very seriously damaged SDs. But if I was a pirate, they would be very nice.
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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by namelessfly   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:36 am

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Lord Skimper wrote:2 converted for rich bored SEM people. 28 for rich company officials in the league, should be a few of those. That right there would pay for the rest of the 100.

Mind you you could probably sell 80 of them to various Sollie companies, intact as is. Not only would a company, or several of them, want such a ship which battle fleet wouldn't sell to them, in the best of times. Once things start falling apart, well this might even be better than converting them. Keep one or two for personnel use refitted etc....



As the SL disintegrates and newly independent, former SL systems realize that there simply are not enough SLN DDs much less CLs, CAs, or BCs and certainly not DNs and SDs that might be recruited or acquired to provide security for newly independent systems, there will be a huge demand for slightly used, SLN SDs that have been surrendered only once.

Even if these systems don't have a trained navy to effectively operate these ships in combat, they will serve as a deterrent to piracy or invasion if they can be operated and maintained well enough to appear to be combat capable.

Think of them as scarecrows.
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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by lyonheart   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:16 pm

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Hi NamelessFly,

Scarecrow is indeed the term I've used when this has come up before, and while the RMN or GA might not put them into service for all the cited reasons, and so far we're talking about the 48 at Spindle and the 60 in Manticore [with 70+ more damaged] for 108.

One each would certainly bolster perhaps a sixth of those members who voted with Beowulf, especially for those [almost half?] who only had LAC's and be very grateful for them.

The GA might make it a first come, first served; but allowing ex-SL members to participate in who gets what of the SLN ships which are disseminated would appeal to some who wouldn't like the GA to be too arbitrary. ;)

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namelessfly wrote:
Lord Skimper wrote:2 converted for rich bored SEM people. 28 for rich company officials in the league, should be a few of those. That right there would pay for the rest of the 100.

Mind you you could probably sell 80 of them to various Sollie companies, intact as is. Not only would a company, or several of them, want such a ship which battle fleet wouldn't sell to them, in the best of times. Once things start falling apart, well this might even be better than converting them. Keep one or two for personnel use refitted etc....



As the SL disintegrates and newly independent, former SL systems realize that there simply are not enough SLN DDs much less CLs, CAs, or BCs and certainly not DNs and SDs that might be recruited or acquired to provide security for newly independent systems, there will be a huge demand for slightly used, SLN SDs that have been surrendered only once.

Even if these systems don't have a trained navy to effectively operate these ships in combat, they will serve as a deterrent to piracy or invasion if they can be operated and maintained well enough to appear to be combat capable.

Think of them as scarecrows.
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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by dreamrider   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:48 pm

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If any of the Scientist-class could b operated by reasonable sized reduced crew (sans weapons crew, sans redundancy), you could transport a lot of Talbot Guard aboard some of these things.

Performance wise, they might perform about as well as a Manticoran fast transport with military grade hyper. Crap accel, though.

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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by dreamrider   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:50 pm

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namelessfly wrote:
Lord Skimper wrote:2 converted for rich bored SEM people. 28 for rich company officials in the league, should be a few of those. That right there would pay for the rest of the 100.

Mind you you could probably sell 80 of them to various Sollie companies, intact as is. Not only would a company, or several of them, want such a ship which battle fleet wouldn't sell to them, in the best of times. Once things start falling apart, well this might even be better than converting them. Keep one or two for personnel use refitted etc....



As the SL disintegrates and newly independent, former SL systems realize that there simply are not enough SLN DDs much less CLs, CAs, or BCs and certainly not DNs and SDs that might be recruited or acquired to provide security for newly independent systems, there will be a huge demand for slightly used, SLN SDs that have been surrendered only once.

Even if these systems don't have a trained navy to effectively operate these ships in combat, they will serve as a deterrent to piracy or invasion if they can be operated and maintained well enough to appear to be combat capable.

Think of them as scarecrows.


There are no SLN DNs. Haven't been for centuries.

(Unless you count all their SD's as DN's - unfair to real DN's however <grin>.)

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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by pokermind   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:14 pm

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With luck in the next Honorverse book David will send them to the breakers for metal and usable components putting a stake through the heart of this topic. His comment quoted many times are they are useless outdated equipment for naval use, they require too many crew and have all that useless armor as useless mass for civilian use. Remember the second law of thermodynamics you don't get nothing for nothing and moving that excess mass besides taking valuable space makes use as cargo transports uneconomical.

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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by dreamrider   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:31 pm

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pokermind wrote:With luck in the next Honorverse book David will send them to the breakers for metal and usable components putting a stake through the heart of this topic. His comment quoted many times are they are useless outdated equipment for naval use, they require too many crew and have all that useless armor as useless mass for civilian use. Remember the second law of thermodynamics you don't get nothing for nothing and moving that excess mass besides taking valuable space makes use as cargo transports uneconomical.

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Actually, his comment is that they are fairly useless as weapons platforms. Presumably they still work as ships, and as in-space structures, though perhaps inefficiently.

(...and although I occasionally add a [hopefully somewhat reasonable suggestion], I agree that the simplest, probably most efficient, use for them is as recycled high-grade metal.)

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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by drothgery   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:38 pm

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dreamrider wrote:There are no SLN DNs. Haven't been for centuries.

(Unless you count all their SD's as DN's - unfair to real DN's however <grin>.)

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FWIW, an SLN Scientist-class SD is only very marginally larger than a RMN Bellepheron-class DN. A few posters here consider the SLN's wallers DNs no matter what they choose to call them.
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Re: found a use for the ex-Sollie SD.
Post by dreamrider   » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:44 pm

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The Scientist class and the basically same-sized Nova class are, AFAWK, the latest Sollie SD models.

I stand by my post (especially the parenthetical part)
<grin>

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