I was under the impression that RFC had ended this thread. Apparently I assimilated the strong words incorrectly. My apology.
Alyeska wrote:I fear that your actualy using the incorrect analogy. Ever see the Skyway in Chicago IL? IF not, look it up, its a really giant bridge. For that matter, notice how when thay work on the roads, thay do not close the road, only the section thay are working on. The kids where in the safe section of the dome, a compleated area. About as safe as you could be withen a couple miles of the construction zone really. The dangerious stuff was happening a mile away. If it was not for the deliberate sabatage then dome structure could have withstood a heck of a lot of damage before becoming unstable, or being a risk.
Errr, think about the buildings thay use in the honorverse as well, a couple hundred storys tall, think about it, you could have a building 3 miles tall no problem. How do you deal with it if one of thoes things fall? Is OSHA going to kick everyone living withen 3 miles of the building out of there homes when its being built?
Safty regs are designed around the physics that have to be delt with, and for insidents that have occured. Cranes have collapsed in the US, heck, look it up on youtube. Thus the reason for making safty regs to deal with a crane falure. Now, a continuation of that sort of regs, would have kept people away from where thay where working, where thay where lifting the panels and all that, not out from areas that where compleated and totaly safe.
Oh Sorry Runs, I just could not let that stand. Sounds like a collage grad, no real world experence.
Ever see the Skyway in Chicago IL?
Indeed I have. And from vantage points that would make you cringe! Several times. Structures of this type adhere to regular examination and analysis, especially after earthquakes. Next time you travel one of these bridges, notice the people who most likely are there, carrying out their mission completely oblivious to you.
I have seen many bridges of this country from likewise vantage points. Being Lab Manager with such a large widely known Geotechnical firm I have seen more bridges than you know exist. I had the rare good fortune of spending several, though non-consecutive, months onsite of the construction of The World's Tallest Suspension Bridge... MILLAU, France — Stretching higher than the Eiffel Tower, the Viaduc de Millau Bridge "is a marvel of art and architecture." I was invited to "come check it out" by a friend and former classmate that I'd met in the states. I arrived the summer after the "first stone" which was in the previous December, although I was actually onsite (soils tests)
before the laying of the first stone. I've since visited the site well over a dozen times.
For that matter, notice how when thay work on the roads, thay do not close the road, only the section thay are working on.
How can I not notice, being submerged 'rags to rivets' deep within this world. And I do
not like it. The unsuspecting public's lives are risked every day. Often they die and/or are severely injured.
The dangerious stuff was happening a mile away.
You are a quintessential member of a select group of many people whose rights to safety should be protected. Just like you, how could most people expect to know that the majority of these sites utilize equipment, that if irresponsibly, improperly, complacently, jokingly, haphazardly handled, could kill well in excess of a mile.
think about the buildings thay use in the honorverse as well, a couple hundred storys tall, think about it, you could have a building 3 miles tall no problem. How do you deal with it if one of thoes things fall? Is OSHA going to kick everyone living withen 3 miles of the building out of there homes when its being built?
That question and many more similar, my fellow human, is being asked at many empanelled groups of OSHA and related safety experts throughout the country. And the discussions can get rather heated. I am afraid the answers are left up to lobbyists and elected officials. Do I personally think a three mile section of a city should be closed down if it falls outside the real
calculated safety zone? You Damn Right I Do!!!
Let's get something straight here.
Unsuspecting people are dying. If it is criminal to leave a manhole cover disengaged because of an unsuspecting representative of the public
you, me, our loved ones then it should likewise be criminal to expose the same
unsuspecting public to even worse hazards and dangers simply because of logistics and convenience = cost = money. Hence my earlier post that lives oftentimes seem less valuable than money.
At the very least, as many
unsuspecting people should be made
suspecting as humanly possible. Television broad casts, fliers, video, etc. There is something criminal to rolling the dice over someone's head and they not even know it. I would like not even one die to be rolled over mine, or my loved ones and friends. I would like the same for
yours as well. The public should be given a chance to choose, whether they wish to drive an extra hour or so to avoid the risk. Let it be their decision, at least. It pisses me off to no end, that at certain places in this country at any given time a family can be out at a public gathering, eating, dancing, spending quality time with their kids and the next minute witnessing, like Adam Gerrick, them being crushed to death! That should never happen!
What's it going to take, hmmm, that one, media inspired, jaw-dropping unprecedented DISASTER that kills several bus loads of kids that were nowhere outside the
true danger zone?
Cranes have collapsed in the US, heck, look it up on youtube.
No need to. I've included examples in the accompanying reference. But...that crap you see on youtube is nothing compared to what
I've seen. To what you'll never see. To what many at OSHA have seen.
I've seen people die right in front of me. In ways that will make the most iron-gutted puke his genitals. Complacency. People's eye-sockets, elbows and other joints blown out like tires from powerful electrical currents. You never really can ever forget the smell of electrically burned flesh. Or people impaled by rebar, from falling off of scaffolding. Hands, fingers, limbs cleanly and instantly severed. I have seen much.
The kids where in the safe section of the dome, a compleated area.
OSHA's take on it, and mine as well after 18 years in the business since graduation. Is that on an uncompleted site, there
are no safe areas. As long as
humans are employed there will be dangers.
You may not be aware of it. But the Demon Murphy, of Murphy's Law, has remained in business for so long because he made his fortune at Construction sites. That is an inside joke. But serious and poignant. Murphy sends his kids to college at CSU. Construction Site University. These are real life inside jokes.
People simply are not aware of the true dangers. And because cities are allowed to place people in danger does not make it right. OSHA and other entities, and yes yours truly as well, have seen video that is appalling. I've known many people to walk out of such classes. On many occasions...I led.
People are just not aware of the dangers. I once saw video of the aftermath of what can happen to people following too closely to 18-wheelers. Drafting. One incident involved a man decapitated because a brake shoe from the semi dislodged and fell under the rear tires and the torque propelled it through the windshield of the vehicle behind. Decapitation. Because of that, I never trail a semi. People should be given a similar opportunity by being made privy to construction site dangers.
Oh Sorry Runs, I just could not let that stand. Sounds like a collage grad, no real world experience.
I suppose not, if over 18 years doesn't qualify to you. If the fact that I've had more dates with Construction sites than you've been
on a date.
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The funny thing is. Many workers on such sites are given hazard pay. Because of the hazards of working such sites. Yet the unsuspecting public, who are allowed, even expected, to carry on their lives within reach of the same dangers of such sites...
Well at least give them hazard pay as well.