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by Mycall4me » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:28 am | |
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I just want to chime in my agreement with the poster that asked, why would baen still be offering e-arcs for the faithful if it was damaging their bottom line regarding selling the hc book? If that WAS a real problem I don't think any sensible company would continue a policy that cost them in overall sales of their product.
I think I heard something about an e-arc actually INCREASING the sales of the hard copy, for several reasons, such as many people would actually prefer the hc for their permanent library, and so they would actually be buying the book twice. |
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by FriarBob » Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:40 am | |
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This is at least partly true. I am uncertain if if it actually increases hardback sales but it definitely does increase total sales. A large number of people who buy the e-ARC turn around and buy the final e-book too. (Probably almost all.) And some on top of that get a HC or PB as well. Profit dollars for an e-ARC plus an e-book at least matches their profit level for one HC and almost certainly actually doubles it. (And that's at Baen e-book prices, Tor's obscene e-book prices would make it even higher.) But even with outright proof of their idiocy rubbed in their noses, changing an idiotic policy in an idiotic company run by idiots is harder than scaling mount Everest. Sometimes I'm amazed Macmillan hasn't completely cleaned house yet but Tor's morons are somehow managing to not quite kill the golden goose yet... well probably aren't even as close as I think they are to doing so... but either way don't hold your breath expecting sanity to break out anytime soon. |
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by Mycall4me » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:58 pm | |
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Oh, I'm not at ALL thinking that Tor would actually DO an e-arc, my peeve spiel was just a kind of wishfull thinking that SOMEONE at Tor MIGHT take a chance on TRYING it just ONCE, a guy can dream though. And besides, they would probably pick a lesser quality novel that I most certainly wouldn't be interested in! |
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by Keith_w » Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:12 pm | |
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I wouldn't be surprised to discover that part of the problem is that TOR is part of a larger publishing house (McMillan) whereas Baen is a standalone publisher. --
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by fallsfromtrees » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:45 pm | |
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Baen is not completely independent - They are the F&SF (sub-publisher) for Simon & Schuster, and only get so many slots per month for publication, so they are under some of the same constraints that Tor is. ========================
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by Keith_w » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:28 pm | |
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Thanks for that info, I didn't realize they were part of a larger organization. --
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by dvdscar » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:21 pm | |
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Baen is not a S&S subsidiary. It is privately owned: 1/3 by Toni Weisskopf, 1/3 by Tom Doherty, and 1/6 each by Jim Baen's two daughters. S&S is Baen's distributor. That's all. David |
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by dvdscar » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:32 pm | |
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Absolutely the eARCs make money. Larry Correia made a Facebook post a few years ago about how the advance for one of his books paid out just from the eARC sales. I suspect something similar is true for most of MWW's books. From what I can tell, Macmillan is even more infested with idiots than Tor is. Macmillan is not their own boss, and hasn't been for years. They're a part of the Holtzbrinck Publishing Group conglomerate, one of the Big 5 of the publishing world. Enough said. David |
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by fallsfromtrees » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:15 pm | |
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Thanks for that info, I didn't realize they were part of a larger organization.[/quote]
[quote="fallsfromtrees"] I misuderstood the wiki page on Baen. It did say that Jim had started it as an alternative to revamping S&S Pocket Books SF Line that kind of why I said sub publisher instead of subsidiary. ========================
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