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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:05 pm

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gcomeau wrote:
Which could have been far more limited if the shooter hadn't been able to get his hands on an AM-15 and 100 round drum magazines.

When are you going to figure out that "look, this one time we put the fire out after only HALF the house burned down! Success!!!" isn't an argument in favor of letting idiot children play with gasoline and matches?



Well now that you mention it, the weapons used in the deadliest mass murder committed by a lone assailant in US history was committed with a match and a pop bottle filled with gasoline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by edgeworthy   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:31 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
gcomeau wrote:
Which could have been far more limited if the shooter hadn't been able to get his hands on an AM-15 and 100 round drum magazines.

When are you going to figure out that "look, this one time we put the fire out after only HALF the house burned down! Success!!!" isn't an argument in favor of letting idiot children play with gasoline and matches?



Well now that you mention it, the weapons used in the deadliest mass murder committed by a lone assailant in US history was committed with a match and a pop bottle filled with gasoline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire


The Las Vegas lone gunman shot 480 people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
In 10 minutes, with 24 Guns.
Another 429 were injured in the panic.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:37 pm

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Meanwhile; the police were cowering in the hallway, waiting for the shooting to stop.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-co ... tage-shows
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:53 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Meanwhile; the police were cowering in the hallway, waiting for the shooting to stop.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-co ... tage-shows


(But arming little Timmy's kindergarten teacher... THAT will be the answer to the next guy who easily acquires an AR15 and goes on a killing rampage. Right TFLY?)
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Michael Everett   » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:25 am

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gcomeau wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:Meanwhile; the police were cowering in the hallway, waiting for the shooting to stop.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-co ... tage-shows


(But arming little Timmy's kindergarten teacher... THAT will be the answer to the next guy who easily acquires an AR15 and goes on a killing rampage. Right TFLY?)

Absolutely... unless the stress of looking after all those entitles screaming brats causes the teacher to go nuts.

There was a poem referencing the concept, after all.
Chaos ruled OK in the classroom / as bravely the teacher walked in
the nooligans ignored him / his voice was lost in the din

'The theme for today is violence / and homework will be set
I'm going to teach you a lesson / one that you'll never forget'

He picked on a boy who was shouting / and throttled him then and there
then garrotted the girl behind him / (the one with grotty hair)

Then sword in hand he hacked his way / between the chattering rows
'First come, first severed' he declared / 'fingers, feet or toes'

He threw the sword at a latecomer / it struck with deadly aim
then pulling out a shotgun / he continued with his game

The first blast cleared the backrow / (where those who skive hang out)
they collapsed like rubber dinghies / when the plug's pulled out

'Please may I leave the room sir?' / a trembling vandal enquired
'Of course you may' said teacher / put the gun to his temple and fired

The Head popped a head round the doorway / to see why a din was being made
nodded understandingly / then tossed in a grenade

And when the ammo was well spent / with blood on every chair
Silence shuffled forward / with its hands up in the air

The teacher surveyed the carnage / the dying and the dead
He waggled a finger severely / 'Now let that be a lesson' he said


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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Senior Chief   » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:51 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
gcomeau wrote:
Which could have been far more limited if the shooter hadn't been able to get his hands on an AM-15 and 100 round drum magazines.

When are you going to figure out that "look, this one time we put the fire out after only HALF the house burned down! Success!!!" isn't an argument in favor of letting idiot children play with gasoline and matches?



Well now that you mention it, the weapons used in the deadliest mass murder committed by a lone assailant in US history was committed with a match and a pop bottle filled with gasoline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire



Or this school disaster that everyone seems to forget about:

The Bath School disaster, also known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, Bath Township, Michigan. The attacks killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and six adults, and also injured at least 58 other people. Prior to his timed explosives going off at the school building, Kehoe had murdered his wife and firebombed his farm. Arriving at the site of the school explosion, Kehoe died when he detonated explosives concealed in his truck.

Andrew Kehoe, the 55-year-old school board treasurer, was angered by increased taxes and his defeat in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat. Kehoe had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, he was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed upon in June 1926.[1] For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed that he had stopped working on his farm and thought that he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe purchased explosives and discreetly planted them on his property and under the school.

Kehoe murdered his wife Nellie sometime between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927; she had just been discharged from the hospital with an undefined illness. He then detonated various incendiary devices on his homestead on the morning of May 18 at about 8:45 a.m., causing the house and other farm buildings to be destroyed by the explosives' blasts and subsequent fires.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the Bath Consolidated School building, killing 36 schoolchildren and two teachers. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to detonate hundreds of pounds of dynamite and incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers began working at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol connected to a timing device set to detonate at the same time as the first explosions; the material was hidden throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.

Please note, no modern day assault rifle was involved...
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:07 pm

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Senior Chief wrote:
Please note, no modern day assault rifle was involved...

Please note, nobody in the history of this debate, anywhere on earth, has ever argued guns are the only possible way to kill anyone.

Ever.

They are however *literal purpose built killing machines* and should be regulated appropriately as such.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by noblehunter   » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:27 am

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I'm not sure "someone devotes the last year of his life to planning and carrying out a mass murder" is a good argument against gun control. If he'd had an assault rifle, he could have killed that many people without months of preparation.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:10 am

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Senior Chief wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:




Well now that you mention it, the weapons used in the deadliest mass murder committed by a lone assailant in US history was committed with a match and a pop bottle filled with gasoline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire



Or this school disaster that everyone seems to forget about:

The Bath School disaster, also known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, Bath Township, Michigan. The attacks killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and six adults, and also injured at least 58 other people. Prior to his timed explosives going off at the school building, Kehoe had murdered his wife and firebombed his farm. Arriving at the site of the school explosion, Kehoe died when he detonated explosives concealed in his truck.

Andrew Kehoe, the 55-year-old school board treasurer, was angered by increased taxes and his defeat in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat. Kehoe had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, he was notified that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed upon in June 1926.[1] For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed that he had stopped working on his farm and thought that he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe purchased explosives and discreetly planted them on his property and under the school.

Kehoe murdered his wife Nellie sometime between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927; she had just been discharged from the hospital with an undefined illness. He then detonated various incendiary devices on his homestead on the morning of May 18 at about 8:45 a.m., causing the house and other farm buildings to be destroyed by the explosives' blasts and subsequent fires.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the Bath Consolidated School building, killing 36 schoolchildren and two teachers. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to detonate hundreds of pounds of dynamite and incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers began working at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol connected to a timing device set to detonate at the same time as the first explosions; the material was hidden throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.

Please note, no modern day assault rifle was involved...



As my tenants might say, Andrew Kehoe was old. He didn't have time to shoot at children.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:30 pm

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I see the Aussies are shiting their pants over a new gun.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/verne ... aking-out/
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