edgeworthy wrote:Wrong again TFLYTSNBN as your own source clearly says ...
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... gmarch2018
The Homicide rate is calculated by all deaths consider to be violent and suspicious by the Police, not the downward revisions you seem to think apply. The British Murder rate for 2018 was measured using the figure of 730 murders recorded regardless of whether there was actually, an arrest, prosecution or conviction; its still a homicide even if no one actually gets caught, or the offence is later judged to be Manslaughter."When the police initially record an offence as a homicide it remains classified as such unless the police or courts decide that a lesser offence, or no offence, took place. The offence would be reclassified on the Homicide Index as “no longer recorded” but may remain in the main police recorded crime collection as a homicide."
The 2018 figure being reduced to 726 on the conclusion that 4 instances were not actually homicides.
Are you somehow getting confused by how the Office of National Statistics is defining a suspect?
(Which is not the same thing, see section 10 which records the differences between cases where there was a suspect and where one was not. In 207 cases no suspect was charged, in 523 cases a suspect(s)was charged, this is NOT the total number of initially recorded homicides, 730, used to calculate the 12 per 1,000,000)
As the ONS report cautions care should be taken in analysing the figures for statistical anomalies. For example the 2003 figure rose sharply due to the inclusion of the 173 victims of a serial killer not being officially recorded until that year, likewise the 2017 figure was increased by 89 deaths that in-fact occurred in 1989.
The 1.2 per 100,000 figure is accurate for ALL the Homicides that occurred in 2018. Not just those that were solved, or had a suspect, arrest, prosecution or conviction. The ONS source clearly says this, did you read it?
There is even a caveat that a Homicide does not require violence to be considered as such, for example the inclusion of 58 migrants who suffocated in the back of a lorry in the official homicide rate, or 20 people who drowned in a flood due to criminal negligence.
(Does this not suggest a broader definition?)Using British criteria for counting criminal homicides, Chicago had only about 50 homicides in 2018 rather than 590.
Problem solved.
Seriously the Police in Chicago only manage to solve 8% of homicides, compared to the British rate of 72%!
(No Law Enforcement agency can be that bad?)
Edit: Just to be clear again, the 730 (719 with 10 later excluded, for 2017) Homicides figure is that recorded by the British Police, and reported by such in the official government archives. In 2017 the FBI listed 17,284 Homicides ... this is a comparison of crimes considered to be murders listed by the respective Law Enforcement Agencies!
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... ges/murder
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... gmarch2017
Yes, Police in Chicago rarely identify the perpetrator or pepetrators of homicides. I will refer you to this HeyJackass website because the FBI declines to release data on arrest rates for individual jurisdictions except through the Supplementsry Homicide Reports which are rather cumbersome.
https://heyjackass.com/home/
If you want to dispute the accuracy or veracity of this private group, you can obtain copies of the Supplementary Homicide Reports by contacting the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting unit here:
crimestatsinfo@fbi.gov
They can email you the data for the City of Chicago. For data on the entire US, they would have to email you a computer disc.
If you do not get a timely response, call
(304)-625-3535
Ask to talk to Lauretta.
The FBI actively discourages citizens and researchers from doing any comparative analysis that might cause citizens to question the competence of the cops.
While you imagine that you are schooling me on criminology, why not take note of the enormous disparity in the homicide rates for young children (11 and under) in the US and Great Britain. Since 80% of young children that are murdered in the US are beaten, bludgeoned, burned, strangled or stabbed to death, the problem is not guns. May be you think that murdered children don't matter unless they are shot to death?