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How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the public?

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How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the public?
Post by Puidwen   » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:42 pm

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After all I believe that the general Manticoran public knows that the Messan alignment is still out there. But there's also been a general theme in Manticoran history where whenever they downgrade the fleet (or just let it get in bad shape) trouble happens. I doubt they will be thrilled even with Queen Elizabeth telling them they need to trim the fleet.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by kzt   » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:03 pm

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Well, given they just signed on to police about 500x their current territory I don’t quite get how that going to work.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:02 am

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kzt wrote:Well, given they just signed on to police about 500x their current territory I don’t quite get how that going to work.


Group lots of SDs are going to be replaced by CAs and smaller. Probably a net increase in hulls and a net decrease in manning requiremenst.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by phillies   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:05 am

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kzt wrote:Well, given they just signed on to police about 500x their current territory I don’t quite get how that going to work.


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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by Theemile   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:32 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
kzt wrote:Well, given they just signed on to police about 500x their current territory I don’t quite get how that going to work.


Group lots of SDs are going to be replaced by CAs and smaller. Probably a net increase in hulls and a net decrease in manning requiremenst.


Fortunately, manpower on newer designs is 1/3rd to 1/6th that if older designs. So manpower costs are going down. Also, the fleet is extremely modern, so wear and upkeep costs should be low for the next few years. I don't actually see an overall shrinkage of the fleet, more likely a restructuring, with some items like CLACS and older SDs placed in reserve, while more medium combatants are built for patrolling the expanses.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:56 pm

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kzt wrote:Well, given they just signed on to police about 500x their current territory I don’t quite get how that going to work.

Weird Harold wrote:Group lots of SDs are going to be replaced by CAs and smaller. Probably a net increase in hulls and a net decrease in manning requiremenst.

Theemile wrote:Fortunately, manpower on newer designs is 1/3rd to 1/6th that if older designs. So manpower costs are going down. Also, the fleet is extremely modern, so wear and upkeep costs should be low for the next few years. I don't actually see an overall shrinkage of the fleet, more likely a restructuring, with some items like CLACS and older SDs placed in reserve, while more medium combatants are built for patrolling the expanses.


I wouldn't be surprised to see ship like HMS Charles Ward(?) in larger numbers. Either alone or in support roles.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by Fox2!   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:16 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see ship like HMS Charles Ward(?) in larger numbers. Either alone or in support roles.


An FSV, a full squadron of LACs, a cargo module stuffed with Mark 23 pods, and a division of DDs or CLs. Take on most anything short of a full squadron or two of BCs, most likely.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:30 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see ship like HMS Charles Ward(?) in larger numbers. Either alone or in support roles.

Fox2! wrote:An FSV, a full squadron of LACs, a cargo module stuffed with Mark 23 pods, and a division of DDs or CLs. Take on most anything short of a full squadron or two of BCs, most likely.


Mk23s would be overkill for most situations -- including a squadron of BSs. Mk16G or later would suffice and make room for more missiles; Need to make room for a few DD/CL missiles, too.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by Fox2!   » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:42 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see ship like HMS Charles Ward(?) in larger numbers. Either alone or in support roles.

Fox2! wrote:An FSV, a full squadron of LACs, a cargo module stuffed with Mark 23 pods, and a division of DDs or CLs. Take on most anything short of a full squadron or two of BCs, most likely.


Mk23s would be overkill for most situations -- including a squadron of BSs. Mk16G or later would suffice and make room for more missiles; Need to make room for a few DD/CL missiles, too.


Have we seen Mk16s of any variant? Not that it wouldn't be trivial to make them. I suppose there aren't enough Roland/Paul class DDs running around. And they are too valuable to use as part of a fixed defense plan. Older classes of DD/CL should have enough telemetry links to handle the job.
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Re: How to downgrade the fleet without upsetting the puplic?
Post by pnakasone   » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:38 am

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Someone at the Bureau of Ships is sitting down and thinking about the kinds of ships that will be needed for what they are going to be doing next.
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