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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by Daryl   » Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:13 pm

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Bob Dylan summed this up half a century ago with "If you ain't got nothin, you've got nothin to lose".
If you have a good job, home and future you are unlikely to stuff it up by being violent.
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by The E   » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:20 am

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Amazing!

You are actually getting closer to understanding my point.


Since your point seems to be that strong regulations on gun ownership really do work in reducing the amount of people hurt by guns, I'd say you're closer to understanding our viewpoint.

Shooting incidents in America don't happen in a vacum any more than knifing incidents in London. The Extreme variation in homicide rates between different ethnic groups and geographical locations is a huge hint that other factors besides gun ownership are involved. The fact that more restrictive gun control laws are closely correllated with higher homicide rates and a higher percentage of homicides committed with firearms confirms this.


And yet, you keep missing the obvious: 20 incidents of violent crime over a short period in London is "alarming" and "unprecedented"; in the average american city, it's "last quarter".

If british gun ownership laws were as lax as american ones, we'd be seeing a lot more homicides and injuries.

I have out of date data for arrest rates and clearance rates in Great Britain and other European countries that were enlightening for me. How about you apply your internet acumen to finding more up to date data to compare to the United States?


The last time one of you conservatives asked me to find the data for myself, all I found were things thoroughly debunking them.

Is that a risk you want to take, TFLY?
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:46 am

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Daryl wrote:Bob Dylan summed this up half a century ago with "If you ain't got nothin, you've got nothin to lose".
If you have a good job, home and future you are unlikely to stuff it up by being violent.



Absolutely!

Aside from having abysmally low arrest rates, America made the mistake of instituting a perverse welfare program that had the effect if not the intent of undermining the family structure of the lower class by penalyzing poor women with children for being married. The rules incentivised poor women to have children out of wedlock. Even if you are a poor man, if you have a wife and children or at least the prospect of becoming a husband and father, then you have something to loose that will deter you from committing murder. Most African American men as well as many hispanic men do not have that prospect. All they had is a Darwinian struggle for access to women so as to may be have progeny before they got themselves killed.

Homicide rates declined dramatically after Newt Gingrich compelled President Clinton to pass welfare reform. The percentage of homicides committed with guns actually increased slightly during this time, so it definately wasnt the Clinton "assault weapon" ban that decreased the murder rate.
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:46 pm

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We Hell, your number 1!

So far this year, London is actually ahead of New York City for number of murders per 100,000 people.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8273147/l ... stabbings/
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:06 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:We Hell, your number 1!

So far this year, London is actually ahead of New York City for number of murders per 100,000 people.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8273147/l ... stabbings/



Ah yes New York... a city not even in the top FIFTY US cities for per capita homicide rates...
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:58 pm

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gcomeau wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:We Hell, your number 1!

So far this year, London is actually ahead of New York City for number of murders per 100,000 people.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8273147/l ... stabbings/



Ah yes New York... a city not even in the top FIFTY US cities for per capita homicide rates...



Yep!

It is amazing how homicided rates in most US cities plummetted after we eepealed the Clinton ban on "assault weapons."

https://www.thetrace.org/2018/04/highes ... ties-list/

Since the US has been making gun laws LESS restrictive in recent decades, why have murder rates been decreasing?
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:08 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
gcomeau wrote:

Ah yes New York... a city not even in the top FIFTY US cities for per capita homicide rates...



Yep!

It is amazing how homicided rates in most US cities plummetted after we eepealed the Clinton ban on "assault weapons."


Wow, point flew about a mile over your head that time...



(And homicide rates have been decreasing across the developed world, and yet there is still a huge disparity between the US and other stable developed nations. And we all know what the critical difference is)
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:32 am

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gcomeau wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:



Yep!

It is amazing how homicided rates in most US cities plummetted after we eepealed the Clinton ban on "assault weapons."


Wow, point flew about a mile over your head that time...



(And homicide rates have been decreasing across the developed world, and yet there is still a huge disparity between the US and other stable developed nations. And we all know what the critical difference is)



And you continue to overlook the true critical difference. Your using the phrase "developed world" is a HUGE hint but it would be politically incorrect for you to acknowledge the implications.
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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun May 19, 2019 5:03 pm

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Re: Knives, Knives, Knives
Post by edgeworthy   » Mon May 20, 2019 3:04 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48186035

That's about one day of Gun deaths in America!
https://www.amnestyusa.org/issues/gun-v ... xUEALw_wcB
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