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Gun control really, really works.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:46 pm

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Just saw this. I will let interested readers translate it.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... azzia.html
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:03 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Just saw this. I will let interested readers translate it.

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... azzia.html


Yes, it looks like it worked very well since from my reading of that they were arrested *trying* to get guns they had so far failed to get.

Probably because it wasn't the US and they couldn't just pick up an arsenal at Wal Mart or off some private classified ad for guns for sale.

You know, sometimes I think you're so bad at this you must be actively trying to make our point for us.
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by The E   » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:59 am

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gcomeau is, unsurprisingly, correct.

The relevant parts are:
Im Zuge der Durchsuchungen wurde umfangreiches Material sichergestellt, darunter mehr als 20.000 Euro Bargeld, mehrere Messer, kleinere Mengen Rauschgift sowie eine Vielzahl schriftlicher Unterlagen und elektronischer Datenträger.


translated:
As part of the raids, significant materials were confiscated, among them over 20000€ in cash, several knives, small amounts of drugs as well as a multitude of evidence in writing and on electronic media


(Note what was not mentioned: firearms)

The article implies that one of the reasons these would-be terrorists were caught was because they tried to reach out to arms dealers to acquire firearms, so based purely on it, the conclusion that Germany's strict gun control laws did what they are supposed to is a valid one to make.

As gc pointed out, in the US, these same people would have had no difficulty acquiring firearms at all, making it far more likely that they could carry out whatever crime they had planned before law enforcement had enough evidence on them to justify making a raid.
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by smr   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:43 am

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Look how well Gun Control worked in Germany for the the Jews in Germany in the 30's. Your forefathers decided to kill them in the Concentration Camps!
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by Joat42   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:05 pm

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smr wrote:Look how well Gun Control worked in Germany for the the Jews in Germany in the 30's. Your forefathers decided to kill them in the Concentration Camps!

The sentence above is an excellent example of how some people doesn't really have an argument. Instead they reach for the most idiotic comparison they can think of, which also shows how despicable and dishonest they are.

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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:18 pm

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The E wrote:gcomeau is, unsurprisingly, correct.

The relevant parts are:
Im Zuge der Durchsuchungen wurde umfangreiches Material sichergestellt, darunter mehr als 20.000 Euro Bargeld, mehrere Messer, kleinere Mengen Rauschgift sowie eine Vielzahl schriftlicher Unterlagen und elektronischer Datenträger.


translated:
As part of the raids, significant materials were confiscated, among them over 20000€ in cash, several knives, small amounts of drugs as well as a multitude of evidence in writing and on electronic media


(Note what was not mentioned: firearms)

The article implies that one of the reasons these would-be terrorists were caught was because they tried to reach out to arms dealers to acquire firearms, so based purely on it, the conclusion that Germany's strict gun control laws did what they are supposed to is a valid one to make.

As gc pointed out, in the US, these same people would have had no difficulty acquiring firearms at all, making it far more likely that they could carry out whatever crime they had planned before law enforcement had enough evidence on them to justify making a raid.


Yep,

It is not like they could have used a truck.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/eur ... olded.html

The weapons used in the deadliest mass murder ever committed by a single assailant in the US was a match and a pop bottle of gasoline.
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:20 pm

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Of course gun control really, really worked at the Bataclan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_ ... is_attacks
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:35 pm

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The E wrote:gcomeau is, unsurprisingly, correct.

The relevant parts are:
Im Zuge der Durchsuchungen wurde umfangreiches Material sichergestellt, darunter mehr als 20.000 Euro Bargeld, mehrere Messer, kleinere Mengen Rauschgift sowie eine Vielzahl schriftlicher Unterlagen und elektronischer Datenträger.


translated:
As part of the raids, significant materials were confiscated, among them over 20000€ in cash, several knives, small amounts of drugs as well as a multitude of evidence in writing and on electronic media


(Note what was not mentioned: firearms)

The article implies that one of the reasons these would-be terrorists were caught was because they tried to reach out to arms dealers to acquire firearms, so based purely on it, the conclusion that Germany's strict gun control laws did what they are supposed to is a valid one to make.

As gc pointed out, in the US, these same people would have had no difficulty acquiring firearms at all, making it far more likely that they could carry out whatever crime they had planned before law enforcement had enough evidence on them to justify making a raid.



All they had to do was join a gun club and participate in skeet or trap shooting competitions and then they could buy pump action shotguns of the type that was used in New Zealand, Washington Navy Yard, Sante Fe Texas, Australia familicides, Anapolis Newsroom or Columbine.
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by Annachie   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:26 pm

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Fly.

You keep pointing to rare events to rail against laws that prevent them being the damn near daiy event that they are in the USA.


The absolute best pro gin control arguement I could make to you is to is to tell you to do an honest read of your own posts.
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Re: Gun control really, really works.
Post by The E   » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:41 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:Yep,

It is not like they could have used a truck.


They could have. They chose not to, and got caught as a result. I call that a good reason to have restrictive firearms laws in our country.
So, thank you for agreeing that restrictive firearms laws do work very well in preventing widespread use of such weapons.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:All they had to do was join a gun club and participate in skeet or trap shooting competitions


Hah, no. Getting a gun legally requires extensive background checks, depending on age including a psychiatric evaluation. Once you pass that, you need to register your intent to buy a weapon with the relevant authorities, buy the gun, then register that gun. For people doing shooting sports, there's an additional requirement of regular attendance (once per month or 18 times within a year) at shooting events before you can actually own a gun.

Basically, getting a gun legally leaves so many traces and requires so many background checks that prospective criminals or terrorists have a hard time getting there. That doesn't mean it's impossible, of course -- but compared to the US, it might as well be.

(Also, do bear in mind that the licence to own a gun and the licence to actually carry a gun are separate, with the latter being almost impossible to obtain unless you are running security on armored transports)

smr wrote:Look how well Gun Control worked in Germany for the the Jews in Germany in the 30's. Your forefathers decided to kill them in the Concentration Camps!


You really need to stop using NRA pamphlets as a substitute for history lessons.
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