US Presidential Candidates

The E: Have you read the top 100 emails that make the case for anyone but Hilary. First, this election was anyone but HRC or Jeb Bush! Second, America repudiated a very corrupt politician. Now is Trump going to better?

Probably not. The newies are not going to let Trump get away with anything. The Democrats have gone back to calling him a racist. George Soros and High Ranking Democrats have outlined a plan to delegitimize Trump's Presidency through protests and attacking any appointment made in Congress. Prime Example is Jeff Sessions is a racist. Question who is paying these people to protest and riot...Your Good friend George Soros.

As far as not liking Trump...no complaints in that regard. For you to tell the US citizens why HRC should be President...my response would not be appropriate or very Christian. You are not a US citizen and do not have a right to tell any US citizen how to vote or even think.

The E wrote:And then it came to pass that a presidential candidate was so upset by public reaction to his and his running mate's campaign that he asked why theaters aren't safe spaces.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5274194947

By the way, those "rude" remarks?

Vice-president elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us at Hamilton: An American Musical. We really do.

We, sir, are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents — or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir.

But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and work on behalf of all of us. All of us.

We truly thank you for sharing this show — this wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men, women of different colors, creeds, and orientations.

You have to be a pretty special kind of snowflake to call those rude.

Oh, and incidentally, he also settled a lawsuit for 25 million USD, and does his best to test the limits of the emolument clause.

So yeah. Ladies, Gentlemen and associated Entities, I present to you the guy who's going to drain the swamp and make political correctness go away: Donald Trump.

But Trump is racist. To doubt it is to ignore a hell of a lot of what he has actually said.

As for Sessions, REPUBLICANS thought he was too racist to be a judge.

Let that sink in.

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smr wrote:As far as not liking Trump...no complaints in that regard. For you to tell the US citizens why HRC should be President...my response would not be appropriate or very Christian. You are not a US citizen and do not have a right to tell any US citizen how to vote or even think.

There's nothing in the rules of this forum to prohibit me from having an opinion on US politics and voicing it through posts. Until such a rule exists, kindly stop your whining.

Also, I am not trying to convince you that Clinton would have been a better choice. She very clearly is, and a majority of the US electorate agrees with me. What you are seeing now is me gloating as Trump does his best at disappointing everyone who thought that he would be the less corrupt or less politically correct choice.

Sorry SMR, but I disagree with you on a number of points.
One minor point is the "not very christian" bit. The least tolerant people I know profess that creed.
Secondly, as a citizen of the developed world I do have a legitimate interest in who the US elects, as it does affect all of us. From international stock markets, to trade agreements, to mutual defence agreements, and on to emboldening our redneck fringe (fortunately much less than the US).
As to Trump being a racist, I've seen the videos of him saying outrageous things about virtually any non WASP males.
While I loathe Trump's oafishness, I do hope that his business acumen may enable him to pragmatically move on from the impractical things he said on the campaign.

The E wrote:An election which Trump lost by more than a million votes at last count.
Oh, and need I remind you of all the Trump supporters who threatened to do everything from protesting to starting a civil war if they lost? Or all the protests people started in 2008 and 2012? link link

No, that doesn't make what is happening good, of course. But before putting yourself on a pedestal, remember that your side in this fight is not any better. Using this behaviour as a point for your side just makes you look hypocritical.

Ironically enough, back in 2012 when he believed Obama was winning the electoral college but losing the popular vote, Trump went so far as to call it a "disaster for democracy" and call for a revolution...

Eyal wrote:
Ironically enough, back in 2012 when he believed Obama was winning the electoral college but losing the popular vote, Trump went so far as to call it a "disaster for democracy" and call for a revolution...

Oooh, great find. I had totally forgotten about that!

The fact that he is now very clearly not ranting about it is just hilarious.

Annachie wrote:But Trump is racist. To doubt it is to ignore a hell of a lot of what he has actually said.

As for Sessions, REPUBLICANS thought he was too racist to be a judge.

Let that sink in.

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His actions proved otherwise. So, those Republicans were wrong.

Daryl wrote:Sorry SMR, but I disagree with you on a number of points.
One minor point is the "not very christian" bit. The least tolerant people I know profess that creed.
Secondly, as a citizen of the developed world I do have a legitimate interest in who the US elects, as it does affect all of us. From international stock markets, to trade agreements, to mutual defence agreements, and on to emboldening our redneck fringe (fortunately much less than the US).
As to Trump being a racist, I've seen the videos of him saying outrageous things about virtually any non WASP males.
While I loathe Trump's oafishness, I do hope that his business acumen may enable him to pragmatically move on from the impractical things he said on the campaign.

My experience differs. The least tolerant person I am acquainted with is an atheist.

Sure, the US President impacts the rest of the world. However, his job is to govern the US, not to make foreigners lives better at the expense of US citizens. The perception that our President was too focused on a globalist agenda cost HRC the job of enacting his third term.

Trump is a boorish oaf with a penchant for saying stupid things, but not an indisputable racist. I don't believe he is one. His daughter is a converted Jew. He has worked around construction workers all his life and has more experience working with various races in the working class than any other politician at his level. Ascribing racism to his actions requires interpretation. That the left is too quick to do so is no surprise. Playbook Alynski tactics that discredit much of what else you all say.

Make no mistake, Trump will do things that will trouble me. Hillary would've been worse. All this foreign lefty handwringing supports my view and provides no small amount of comfort in these troublesome times.

PeterZ wrote:Sure, the US President impacts the rest of the world. However, his job is to govern the US, not to make foreigners lives better at the expense of US citizens. The perception that our President was too focused on a globalist agenda cost HRC the job of enacting his third term.

Really? And here I thought it was a history of being on the receiving end of numerous investigations, a perception of her as an untrustworthy and corrupt person, and an election system that in certain cases can award the presidency to someone despite them not gaining the most votes.

Trump is a boorish oaf with a penchant for saying stupid things, but not an indisputable racist. I don't believe he is one. His daughter is a converted Jew. He has worked around construction workers all his life and has more experience working with various races in the working class than any other politician at his level.

If by "worked around" you mean "occasionally employed and frequently screwed over", I might even agree with you.

Ascribing racism to his actions requires interpretation. That the left is too quick to do so is no surprise. Playbook Alynski tactics that discredit much of what else you all say.

True, trying to claim Trump himself is racist is probably not the best move.

Given the many, many things he actually is that make him unqualified for the presidency, there is no need to invent things about him. After all, inventing things to discredit people is something Trump is a master at; No need to sink to his level.

Make no mistake, Trump will do things that will trouble me.

I'm dying to hear what those things might be.

All this foreign lefty handwringing supports my view and provides no small amount of comfort in these troublesome times.

Ah yes, the "Everything's shit, but at least people I disagree with are having a bad time" stance.

PeterZ wrote: All this foreign lefty handwringing supports my view and provides no small amount of comfort in these troublesome times.

Ah yes, your usual delusions and prejudiced ignorance about the world outside your hometown, wonderful, the world is truly going places now!

Hillary would've been worse.

Possibly. But the reason Trump may be better is because he´s an incompetent incarnation of corruption, not because of Hillary´s flaws.
He´s more likely to end up in trouble with his own party and screw up, while moving the embezzlement from one part of the establishment to another, with, of course, quite a large amount of overlap.

And it´s quite possible he manages to put some useful people in his administration, but it´s not going to be because they´re useful for the nation.

My experience differs. The least tolerant person I am acquainted with is an atheist.

Sure. Because religious bigots are always so openminded, oh yes.

Sure, the US President impacts the rest of the world. However, his job is to govern the US, not to make foreigners lives better at the expense of US citizens.

If the US president didn´t try to screw over the rest of the world while doing so, i wouldn´t care the slightest.

But unfortunately, it´s standard practice by US pressies to run around causing wars, terrorism, extremeist coups, mass espionage, and helping to cause economic and environmental disasters, and at least i´m getting somewhat fed up with that kind of crap.

If you actually think your nation has a right to cause harm to the rest of the world as it pleases, well then hello mr psycho.