Guns, Guns Guns

DDHv wrote:

We don’t have the luxuries of hindsight nor omnipotence.

Either the police train to key on threatening movements, or we end up watching police get gunned down by criminals in droves.

It s a binary choice.

Pick which one you prefer.

Which is why if talking to a police officer, I will choose to move slowly and carefully, keeping both hands in plain sight. Why strain their ability to decide correctly?

Of course this is leaving out an important qualifier.

The conditions that create that binary choice are deliberately created by Americans and their gun fetish. Plenty of other nations do not have these issues in any significant degree because their gun laws are sane. Their police do not spend their days constantly thinking any person they interact with might shoot them at any minute so they feel as if they need to spend all their time constantly ready to shoot the people they are supposed to be out there to protect FIRST. They don't get indoctrinated into thinking they are in some kind of battlefield rather than policing their communities. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

And the US doesn't have to keep that idiocy going either... but as long as they do don't give me this "oh that's the way it has to be" bullshit. No, that's the way you CHOOSE to have it. Every single time reasonable gun control proposals are met with hysteria and rushes on gun stores the people doing it are making a choice to feed the ever escalating arms race between citizenry and law enforcement and the progressive militarization of the nation's police that inevitably results... with the corresponding steady degradation of trust between law enforcement and the communities they are supposed to be serving.

And then arguments like this come along and actually try to justify it. "Oh, they *have* to be willing to kill an innocent citizen here and there, just part of the job requirement obviously considering the dangerous conditions we insist they operate in".

It's twisted.

Hey careful with that nose, it's so big and raised so high in the air that the USAF has petitioned to use the nose as emergency landing strip for the F-35.

Why should I be concerned with your views as a non citizen of the US!

Last time I got pulled over was for faulty trailer lights.
I got out of the car and asked him to watch while I fixed them.
It was around midnight, and pitch black.

Even as a pasty white guy I wouldnt try that in America.

(Didn't get a ticket either. The plug had come loose)

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gcomeau wrote: The conditions that create that binary choice are deliberately created by Americans and their gun fetish. Plenty of other nations do not have these issues in any significant degree because their gun laws are sane. Their police do not spend their days constantly thinking any person they interact with might shoot them at any minute so they feel as if they need to spend all their time constantly ready to shoot the people they are supposed to be out there to protect FIRST. They don't get indoctrinated into thinking they are in some kind of battlefield rather than policing their communities. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

And the US doesn't have to keep that idiocy going either... but as long as they do don't give me this "oh that's the way it has to be" bullshit. No, that's the way you CHOOSE to have it. Every single time reasonable gun control proposals are met with hysteria and rushes on gun stores the people doing it are making a choice to feed the ever escalating arms race between citizenry and law enforcement and the progressive militarization of the nation's police that inevitably results... with the corresponding steady degradation of trust between law enforcement and the communities they are supposed to be serving.

And then arguments like this come along and actually try to justify it. "Oh, they *have* to be willing to kill an innocent citizen here and there, just part of the job requirement obviously considering the dangerous conditions we insist they operate in".

It's twisted.

What I really hate -is that 90% of gun owners in the US are RESPONSIBLE well trained and safe. nd probably 80% of gun crimes and deaths, even deaths by police involve people who possess handguns illegally, even under the "ridiculously inept" gun laws here.

yes there are some who buy their guns legally even in states with strict gun laws.NO number of restrictions and laws will totally prevent this.

Outright ban? Impossible. well, passing legislation is doable, but practically, how will you enforce the surrender of all those firearms? Maybe in CA they will send out police to every residence where the firearms were legally bought and duly registered, but will we accept the police, or worse- the national Guard, sweeping those gated communities searching house to house digging up the manicured lawns of the rich-and-famous looking for now-illegal firearms?

I suppose it could be a bloodbath similar to the defense of Neue Rostock (CoG) in all of those public housing towers in LA, Chicago, NYC etc. That would look great on the 11:00 news. And that's just the currently illegal guns.

Respectfully, (or not) gcomeau: please try to tone it down and rein it in. You language, attitude and opinions are pulling down this excellent forum ... again. We are laughing at you.

Sounds like you may have a pathological issue with firearms. We have covered all of this before. Perhaps it is time for your nightly medications? Time for me to clean my machine gun.

All Oregon State, US Code Laws, NFA Rules And The Second Amendment Apply.

WeirdlyWired wrote:What I really hate -is that 90% of gun owners in the US are RESPONSIBLE well trained and safe. nd probably 80% of gun crimes and deaths, even deaths by police involve people who possess handguns illegally, even under the "ridiculously inept" gun laws here.

No. The amount of accidental injuries and deaths from legal firearms alone makes up much more than those remaining 20%.

And sadly, responsible, welltrained and safe gun owners in the USA? They´re the minority.
It´s gotten better, but mostly that´s because people have been forced to by added regulations.
And a very noticeable chunk of gun owners are of the kind that by law really should not be allowed to buy guns in the first place, but managed it anyway because all the shops with "shoddy" bookkeeping is well known not just instate, but in all surrounding states, OR, because they have an in with the local authorities.

yes there are some who buy their guns legally even in states with strict gun laws.NO number of restrictions and laws will totally prevent this.

And those are recorded as tending to have the least amount of accidents or intentional incidents(depending on state, some places just suck).

Outright ban? Impossible. well, passing legislation is doable, but practically, how will you enforce the surrender of all those firearms? Maybe in CA they will send out police to every residence where the firearms were legally bought and duly registered, but will we accept the police, or worse- the national Guard, sweeping those gated communities searching house to house digging up the manicured lawns of the rich-and-famous looking for now-illegal firearms?

As i and others keep repeating, if the government actually and truly WANTED to ban guns, they could, and the gunnuts would get trashed if they tried to resist, end of story.

It would not be pretty no, but it would be the gunnuts who would clean up the human genepool a little by getting themselves killed or jailed.

Tenshinai; perhaps it may be time for you also to tone it down and rein it in. You also are pulling down this excellent forum.

I will go further and suggest that unless you live in the USA and actually own and employee firearms, then just shut the FOOK up.

Respectfully. HB of CJ

I am cleaning my machine gun. All Oregon State, US Code Laws, NFA Rules And The US Constitution Second Amendment Apply.

WeirdlyWired wrote:What I really hate -is that 90% of gun owners in the US are RESPONSIBLE well trained and safe.

No argument. But this has zip to do with the issue. Pass reasonable gun control regulations and that will remain the case.

nd probably 80% of gun crimes and deaths, even deaths by police involve people who possess handguns illegally, even under the "ridiculously inept" gun laws here.

And the reason it is so absurdly easy for them to get their hands on those guns is very very simple.

Because there are so damn many of them floating around.

yes there are some who buy their guns legally even in states with strict gun laws.NO number of restrictions and laws will totally prevent this.

No law totally prevents any behavior it is intended to curtail. If it did the police wouldn't have jobs. 100% prevention would be nice and all but is hardly expected.

Outright ban? Impossible.

Good thing nobody is calling for one then.

Well, passing legislation is doable, but practically, how will you enforce the surrender of all those firearms? Maybe in CA they will send out police to every residence where the firearms were legally bought and duly registered, but will we accept the police, or worse- the national Guard, sweeping those gated communities searching house to house digging up the manicured lawns of the rich-and-famous looking for now-illegal firearms?

I suppose it could be a bloodbath similar to the defense of Neue Rostock (CoG) in all of those public housing towers in LA, Chicago, NYC etc. That would look great on the 11:00 news. And that's just the currently illegal guns.

Why does this happen every time this discussion comes up? It's like some kind of pathology...


"I am a good responsible gun owner and most other people are good responsible gun owners and nobody should be worried about any of us being armed and if anyone has a problem with that and tries to pass laws we don't like on the matter then PREPARE FOR A BLOODBATH!


You do get how you kind of undermine your initial argument by ending it that way... right?

HB of CJ wrote:Respectfully, (or not) gcomeau: please try to tone it down and rein it in.

"Respectfully", no.

Deal with the argument or don't.

HB of CJ wrote:Tenshinai; perhaps it may be time for you also to tone it down and rein it in. You also are pulling down this excellent forum.

I will go further and suggest that unless you live in the USA and actually own and employee firearms, then just shut the FOOK up.

Respectfully. HB of CJ

I am cleaning my machine gun. All Oregon State, US Code Laws, NFA Rules And The US Constitution Second Amendment Apply.

So, freedom of speech is only worth something as long as you like what´s being said then.

Charming. Maybe you should do more than pay lipservice to your beloved constitution?

And don´t be so disgustingly dishonest. If you´re not respectful while writing so, it´s nothing but a pathetic attempt of a personal attack. Along with the OTHER personal attacks you just used.

Which is of course normal for "some" people when they are unable to reply with actual arguments or even, oh the horror, facts.

Oh and in case you forgot, i have a decent history of "employing firearms", even if i´ve never bothered owning any, why should i when i can let the club take the primary pricetag and use a borrowed weapon?

I´m also a good enough shot with both pistol and rifle that i have been offered the chance to enter competitions, representing the local club.

Yet you keep coming back with the same old broken record. Do you really expect a lie to become true if you repeat it enough times?