Snipping all points of agreement for some brevity.
My point, as with Peter,
is that the Mythal conspirators expect some things,
but I expect other things.
Magister Halathyn is an Exception to all Rules,
and to all Expectations.
None of his deeds reflect on any other Mythalan.
Mul Gurthak is considered typical among those Mythalans
who became Union Army officers. (He may actually be,
depending on what those others are doing.)
Any honor he earns, or appears to earn,
will make those others look good in the eyes of Ransarans
and other Arcanans.
Of course, any dishonor he is caught in now will make
all those Mythalans officers very suspect indeed.
It would likely ruin their credibility for that whole generation.
That brings me to your question ##3)##.
The Mythalans likely do hold that publically disgracing
a division-worth of Andaran officers would help their
Plan more than anything else. Indeed, that is what that
Plan is out to achieve!
Me, I disagree with that idea.
I doubt that disgracing Andarans will help Mythalans
so very much.
I deem that they would do better to make themselves
look good: like Civilized People who can live at peace
with Ransarans, other Arcanans, and even Outworlders.
Thus I further deem that making peace with those
OUtworlders would help them significantly more than
their Original Plan would.
If Mythalans such as vos-and-mul Gurthak could only see
that (but of course they can't).
And then, corruption within a group might be corrected.
People familiar with large groups know this.
Look at large Earthly groups that have not been destroyed
by massive scandals and corruptions.
Best I can explain.
HTM
PS we do not need to see how things can happen,
for those things to happen.
We can always be surprised.
Especially by a Storyteller!
brnicholas wrote:I'm continuing the structure to try and keep things making sense.
2) Mul Gurthak's brownie points may well do
all those things. But they appear to believe
their officers can rise without {number?} two and
{Magister Halathyn} vos Dulainan has already done
{#} three in so well that doing it more is unnecessary.
So the only real benefit for the plan is 1.
Plan Gurthak is the following
3) Yes that his presence is required is speculative. However, we know that he plans to do three things. First, portray Harshu as acting without orders in attacking Sharona. Second, have the violations of the Accords go public. Third, perform the murders you mentioned. I don't see how he can make anyone believe the first if he doesn't move into a position to supervise Harshu closely enough to prevent him from from going rogue again. I don't see how he can save his own career (which I do think he cares about) and avoid having all Mythalans splashed as a result of the second if he isn't the one who puts a stop to them and punishes those responsible. Both of those seem to require him to move much closer to the front, and conducting the murders by letter over a long com delay seems much riskier then handling things personally.
If the plan works
1) We agree
2) We agree
##3)## If this is what you meant by brownie points
I don't see how you think this is more valuable to the Mythal plan then publicly catching an entire division's worth of Andaran officers engaged in illegal and dishonorable conduct which endangers the Union?
Can you help me understand?
Nicholas
Howard T. Map-addict wrote:0) Thank you, Nicholas.
2) This could be both the system and individuals.
It follows) mul Gurthak's brownie points would be
first) for himself, but second) they would reflect
well on other Mythal officers in the Union Army.
third) This would show that Mythalans are
not necessarily bound by their system.
Plan Gurthak is following:
{snip 1 & 2}
3) We have seen Gurthak's thoughts about his Plans for
Harshu, Carthos, Neshok, and Klian.
Three of them he intends to murder, in varying ways.
I do not recall him thinking about whether or not his
presence would be necessary to work his Plans.
That Protocol might require his physical presence.
He has so far preferred to work from a distance.
He has already "discovered" those Ill Deeds,
by official messages and by his spies.
3) This is what I meant by "brownie points."
HTM