Honorverse ramblings and musings

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by Duckk » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:40 pm
Duckk Site Admin Posts: 4201 Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:29 pm	noblehunter wrote:You're confusing the name of a government with its type. Manticore is nothing like most of the historical examples since it's also a functioning democracy (I think the Anderman Empire is, too?). Manticore could call itself a Federation or United States or Republic without significantly changing its form. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3708&p=84770 ------------------------- Shields at 50%, taunting at 100%! - Tom Pope
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by Duckk » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:40 pm

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noblehunter wrote:You're confusing the name of a government with its type. Manticore is nothing like most of the historical examples since it's also a functioning democracy (I think the Anderman Empire is, too?). Manticore could call itself a Federation or United States or Republic without significantly changing its form.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by Weird Harold » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:28 pm
Weird Harold Fleet Admiral Posts: 4478 Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:25 pm Location: "Lost Wages", NV	Duckk wrote:The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector. I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse. Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads. . . . Answers! I got lots of answers! (Now if I could just find the right questions.)
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by Weird Harold » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:28 pm

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Duckk wrote:The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector.

I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse.

Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by Theemile » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:42 pm
Theemile Fleet Admiral Posts: 5378 Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:50 pm Location: All over the Place - Now Serving Dublin, OH	Weird Harold wrote: Duckk wrote:The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector. I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse. Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads. Even in the 80s, it took days to get the basic information on events we can now get in minutes. Yes, you may be able to hear live reports on the radio or see shots on TV which interrupted the normally scheduled programming, but that only happen in the sensational items that happened in populated areas. Print media could take days or even weeks to fully research a story before it was released - now, even releasing it in the next printing is the retelling of old news. News in the Honorverse would have to be a combination of news types over the years - a blending of internet "always on" news for "local" events, and AP wire reports and broadsheet publishing for remote news. ****** RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships."
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by Theemile » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:42 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
Duckk wrote:The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector.

I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse.

Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads.

Even in the 80s, it took days to get the basic information on events we can now get in minutes. Yes, you may be able to hear live reports on the radio or see shots on TV which interrupted the normally scheduled programming, but that only happen in the sensational items that happened in populated areas. Print media could take days or even weeks to fully research a story before it was released - now, even releasing it in the next printing is the retelling of old news.

News in the Honorverse would have to be a combination of news types over the years - a blending of internet "always on" news for "local" events, and AP wire reports and broadsheet publishing for remote news.

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RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships."

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:25 pm
cthia Fleet Admiral Posts: 14951 Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:10 pm	Duckk wrote: Throughout the series, word of mouth had carried throughout sectors of the forthrightness of Manticore. Her exalted ideals... morals, scruples and values had preceded her. Every down-trodden polity had heard of her -- of Manticore. I never heard any of the same regarding the Andies. In fact, I got the impression that the Andies were as expansionist as Haven. And, as another poster has focused my thoughts, just as ruthless. My, that's an awfully Manticore-centric viewpoint. You're far too deep into the forest to have an objective viewpoint. I remind you that the Andermani has done just as much work as Manticore in policing Silesia, especially since they share a border. Not only that, it's the Andermani who have done most of the recent work, as Manticore was busy fighting a war. It's not Manticore who has been the face of order in Silesia for almost 20 years, it's the Andermani. The Andermani are practical - doing well by doing good. They aren't gobbling up systems left and right like the Peeps were. They find problem areas and fix them. If that means annexation, well, that's the "doing well" part. They don't enslave anyone, they don't repress anyone, no one's getting exploited. The Empire does very well by its people, and since they're actually physically right next door to Silesia, you bet the Sillies know it. Second, you're putting far too much weight in thinking that everyone knows Manticore in-depth. The entire point of Shadow of Saganami was that the Talbott Quadrant didn't know jack about Manticore, and thus everyone tried applying their own misconceptions or prejudices. You bet that the Sillies would have the same problem. The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector. For example, despite everything the Legislaturists and Committee of Public Safety had done, most outside parties still viewed the People's Republic of Haven positively, which just goes to show you how garbled perceptions can get. So just because a Manticoran ship wanders through every couple weeks doesn't mean the Silesians have a well formed, accurate picture of Manticore. I admit to being deep into the forest and probably cannot see it for the trees. It's my own prejudices against Empires. However, regarding the Andermani, it is not all of my own fault. The behaviour of the Andermani is just as responsible. I am beginning to wonder if we are discussing the same people. I admit that the Andies' stance against piracy is admirable and was a welcomed sigh of relief. But how much of that was actually truly altruistic and how much of it was self-serving? I couldn't tell the difference but needless to say which direction I was leaning. The Manties stood against piracy. But it wasn't just because Manticore was losing ships, people, goods and money. As readers we had plenty of opportunity to "feel" the compassion behind Manticoran aggression against piracy. I admit that that aspect isn't fair to the Andies as storyline is written in Manticoran POV -- however, neither should I be blamed for it. Here's the thing. I admit to having preconceived notions about the Andermani. Yet the only few instances that they had to alleviate that notion they failed miserably. During Honor Harrington's Task Group's sailing into the Andermani capital system, I found Andermani behaviour deplorable -- and very much in character to what I expected of subjects of an Empire. Their hatred for all things Manticoran puzzled me and bordered on outright unhealthy obsession. IMO, Graf von Sternhafen was a prime example of what to expect from an Empire. The needling of Jessica Epps was childish and was a result of obsessive hatred. Thank God for Rabenstrange. If they were so interested in the suppression of piracy then why was war almost kicked off over a Manticoran ship attacking a pirate. They should have helped, instead of antagonized! The Andermani failed again, IMO, when it appeared they were going to have to work with the Manties. What an angry group of people. I always thought Elizabeth should send out flyers that said something like 'Manticore: don't hate us because we're rich.' I just could never trust the Andermani. And when it was decided to suggest that they remain apart from the Alliance -- because it would free them to search for the MAlign and continue to suppress piracy? I said, 'yea... right. You don't trust them either.' Don't mean to offend anyone, but I always got a disturbing vision of the Andermani being akin to pre-alliance Klingons with Romulan technology. shrugs But. As I said, I admit that it is due to my own preconceived notions about an Empire (whether it is actually an Empire in form or no) and I am the first to admit that I could be wrong -- indeed hope that I am. I don't mind RFC letting us get more under the skin of the Andermani in the next one or two publishings to really prove me wrong. Your point about everyone not knowing Manticore is well taken. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:25 pm

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Duckk wrote:
Throughout the series, word of mouth had carried throughout sectors of the forthrightness of Manticore. Her exalted ideals... morals, scruples and values had preceded her. Every down-trodden polity had heard of her -- of Manticore. I never heard any of the same regarding the Andies. In fact, I got the impression that the Andies were as expansionist as Haven. And, as another poster has focused my thoughts, just as ruthless.

My, that's an awfully Manticore-centric viewpoint. You're far too deep into the forest to have an objective viewpoint.

I remind you that the Andermani has done just as much work as Manticore in policing Silesia, especially since they share a border. Not only that, it's the Andermani who have done most of the recent work, as Manticore was busy fighting a war. It's not Manticore who has been the face of order in Silesia for almost 20 years, it's the Andermani.

The Andermani are practical - doing well by doing good. They aren't gobbling up systems left and right like the Peeps were. They find problem areas and fix them. If that means annexation, well, that's the "doing well" part. They don't enslave anyone, they don't repress anyone, no one's getting exploited. The Empire does very well by its people, and since they're actually physically right next door to Silesia, you bet the Sillies know it.

Second, you're putting far too much weight in thinking that everyone knows Manticore in-depth. The entire point of Shadow of Saganami was that the Talbott Quadrant didn't know jack about Manticore, and thus everyone tried applying their own misconceptions or prejudices. You bet that the Sillies would have the same problem. The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector. For example, despite everything the Legislaturists and Committee of Public Safety had done, most outside parties still viewed the People's Republic of Haven positively, which just goes to show you how garbled perceptions can get. So just because a Manticoran ship wanders through every couple weeks doesn't mean the Silesians have a well formed, accurate picture of Manticore.

I admit to being deep into the forest and probably cannot see it for the trees. It's my own prejudices against Empires. However, regarding the Andermani, it is not all of my own fault. The behaviour of the Andermani is just as responsible. I am beginning to wonder if we are discussing the same people.

I admit that the Andies' stance against piracy is admirable and was a welcomed sigh of relief. But how much of that was actually truly altruistic and how much of it was self-serving? I couldn't tell the difference but needless to say which direction I was leaning.

The Manties stood against piracy. But it wasn't just because Manticore was losing ships, people, goods and money. As readers we had plenty of opportunity to "feel" the compassion behind Manticoran aggression against piracy. I admit that that aspect isn't fair to the Andies as storyline is written in Manticoran POV -- however, neither should I be blamed for it.

Here's the thing. I admit to having preconceived notions about the Andermani. Yet the only few instances that they had to alleviate that notion they failed miserably. During Honor Harrington's Task Group's sailing into the Andermani capital system, I found Andermani behaviour deplorable -- and very much in character to what I expected of subjects of an Empire. Their hatred for all things Manticoran puzzled me and bordered on outright unhealthy obsession. IMO, Graf von Sternhafen was a prime example of what to expect from an Empire. The needling of Jessica Epps was childish and was a result of obsessive hatred. Thank God for Rabenstrange. If they were so interested in the suppression of piracy then why was war almost kicked off over a Manticoran ship attacking a pirate. They should have helped, instead of antagonized!

The Andermani failed again, IMO, when it appeared they were going to have to work with the Manties. What an angry group of people. I always thought Elizabeth should send out flyers that said something like 'Manticore: don't hate us because we're rich.'

I just could never trust the Andermani. And when it was decided to suggest that they remain apart from the Alliance -- because it would free them to search for the MAlign and continue to suppress piracy? I said, 'yea... right. You don't trust them either.'

Don't mean to offend anyone, but I always got a disturbing vision of the Andermani being akin to pre-alliance Klingons with Romulan technology.

shrugs

But.

As I said, I admit that it is due to my own preconceived notions about an Empire (whether it is actually an Empire in form or no) and I am the first to admit that I could be wrong -- indeed hope that I am.

I don't mind RFC letting us get more under the skin of the Andermani in the next one or two publishings to really prove me wrong.

Your point about everyone not knowing Manticore is well taken.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:28 pm
cthia Fleet Admiral Posts: 14951 Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:10 pm	Weird Harold wrote: Duckk wrote:The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector. I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse. Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads. Theemile wrote: Even in the 80s, it took days to get the basic information on events we can now get in minutes. Yes, you may be able to hear live reports on the radio or see shots on TV which interrupted the normally scheduled programming, but that only happen in the sensational items that happened in populated areas. Print media could take days or even weeks to fully research a story before it was released - now, even releasing it in the next printing is the retelling of old news. News in the Honorverse would have to be a combination of news types over the years - a blending of internet "always on" news for "local" events, and AP wire reports and broadsheet publishing for remote news. Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:28 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
Duckk wrote:The Honorverse isn't like Earth today, where we have an instantaneous communications grid and flights that can take you around the world in 24 hours. This is back hundreds of years ago, where news travels slowly on horseback or by ship, and filtered through god knows what. People are going to be largely ignorant of what's going on outside their system or sector.

I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse.

Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads.

Theemile wrote:
Even in the 80s, it took days to get the basic information on events we can now get in minutes. Yes, you may be able to hear live reports on the radio or see shots on TV which interrupted the normally scheduled programming, but that only happen in the sensational items that happened in populated areas. Print media could take days or even weeks to fully research a story before it was released - now, even releasing it in the next printing is the retelling of old news.

News in the Honorverse would have to be a combination of news types over the years - a blending of internet "always on" news for "local" events, and AP wire reports and broadsheet publishing for remote news.

Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by SWM » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:36 pm
SWM Fleet Admiral Posts: 5928 Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:00 pm Location: U.S. east coast	cthia wrote: Weird Harold wrote:I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse. Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads. Theemile wrote: Even in the 80s, it took days to get the basic information on events we can now get in minutes. Yes, you may be able to hear live reports on the radio or see shots on TV which interrupted the normally scheduled programming, but that only happen in the sensational items that happened in populated areas. Print media could take days or even weeks to fully research a story before it was released - now, even releasing it in the next printing is the retelling of old news. News in the Honorverse would have to be a combination of news types over the years - a blending of internet "always on" news for "local" events, and AP wire reports and broadsheet publishing for remote news. Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol That's not unexpected. Certain old newsreel footage and short films were able to go viral a hundred years ago. That is in the nature of any kind of media. The only difference from today is that the wavefront of the viral spread takes weeks or months to cover all of humanity (the world a century ago, and explored space in the Honorverse), rather than the hours it takes in today's connected world. -------------------------------------------- Librarian: The Original Search Engine
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by SWM » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:36 pm

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cthia wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:I'm reminded of the period when 99% of information about the world came in the form of "boiler plate" newsprint and/or newsreels at the nickelodeon. The scene where Honor's family watched her "execution" is a good example of how limited interstellar news is in the honorverse.

Newsreels ran ten to fifteen minutes, but I suspect the Honorverse can support a 24/7 interstellar news channel or two with the sheer volume of information that can be stored aboard a DB, but each individual story is only going to get 10-15 minutes of facts and hours of "analysis" by talking heads.

Theemile wrote:
Even in the 80s, it took days to get the basic information on events we can now get in minutes. Yes, you may be able to hear live reports on the radio or see shots on TV which interrupted the normally scheduled programming, but that only happen in the sensational items that happened in populated areas. Print media could take days or even weeks to fully research a story before it was released - now, even releasing it in the next printing is the retelling of old news.

News in the Honorverse would have to be a combination of news types over the years - a blending of internet "always on" news for "local" events, and AP wire reports and broadsheet publishing for remote news.

Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol

That's not unexpected. Certain old newsreel footage and short films were able to go viral a hundred years ago. That is in the nature of any kind of media. The only difference from today is that the wavefront of the viral spread takes weeks or months to cover all of humanity (the world a century ago, and explored space in the Honorverse), rather than the hours it takes in today's connected world.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by munroburton » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:00 pm
munroburton Admiral Posts: 2379 Joined: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:16 am Location: Scotland	cthia wrote:Here's the thing. I admit to having preconceived notions about the Andermani. Yet the only few instances that they had to alleviate that notion they failed miserably. During Honor Harrington's Task Group's sailing into the Andermani capital system, I found Andermani behaviour deplorable -- and very much in character to what I expected of subjects of an Empire. Their hatred for all things Manticoran puzzled me and bordered on outright unhealthy obsession. IMO, Graf von Sternhafen was a prime example of what to expect from an Empire. The needling of Jessica Epps was childish and was a result of obsessive hatred. Thank God for Rabenstrange. If they were so interested in the suppression of piracy then why was war almost kicked off over a Manticoran ship attacking a pirate. They should have helped, instead of antagonized! Honor herself makes the point that the RMN has had some truly appalling examples of commanding officers. Hellbarde's captain wasn't any worse than Young and Sternhafen seems similar to Harold Styles or even Edward Janacek. Whether they were jackasses or not, the Andermani officer corps had a genuine reason to be irritated by Manticorans. From the IAN's point of view, they(a mere single system kingdom!) blocked expansion into Silesia for a long time, annexed Basilisk, got basing rights in Gregor, intervened with Midgard/Asgard and they got to fight a real war rather than being limited to essentially policing duties. And when the alliance was signed, the bloody Manties more or less officially got into the business of expanding! All things considered, I think the Andies have been very tolerant and patient. Particularly during the first Haven war - they could have grabbed all of Silesia and there would be little Manticore could do about it.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by munroburton » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:00 pm

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cthia wrote:Here's the thing. I admit to having preconceived notions about the Andermani. Yet the only few instances that they had to alleviate that notion they failed miserably. During Honor Harrington's Task Group's sailing into the Andermani capital system, I found Andermani behaviour deplorable -- and very much in character to what I expected of subjects of an Empire. Their hatred for all things Manticoran puzzled me and bordered on outright unhealthy obsession. IMO, Graf von Sternhafen was a prime example of what to expect from an Empire. The needling of Jessica Epps was childish and was a result of obsessive hatred. Thank God for Rabenstrange. If they were so interested in the suppression of piracy then why was war almost kicked off over a Manticoran ship attacking a pirate. They should have helped, instead of antagonized!

Honor herself makes the point that the RMN has had some truly appalling examples of commanding officers. Hellbarde's captain wasn't any worse than Young and Sternhafen seems similar to Harold Styles or even Edward Janacek.

Whether they were jackasses or not, the Andermani officer corps had a genuine reason to be irritated by Manticorans. From the IAN's point of view, they(a mere single system kingdom!) blocked expansion into Silesia for a long time, annexed Basilisk, got basing rights in Gregor, intervened with Midgard/Asgard and they got to fight a real war rather than being limited to essentially policing duties. And when the alliance was signed, the bloody Manties more or less officially got into the business of expanding!

All things considered, I think the Andies have been very tolerant and patient. Particularly during the first Haven war - they could have grabbed all of Silesia and there would be little Manticore could do about it.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by kzt » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:15 pm
kzt Fleet Admiral Posts: 11360 Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:18 pm Location: Albuquerque, NM	cthia wrote:Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol You mean the snuff porn from Torch?
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by kzt » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:15 pm

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cthia wrote:Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol

You mean the snuff porn from Torch?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:52 pm
cthia Fleet Admiral Posts: 14951 Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:10 pm	kzt wrote: cthia wrote:Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol You mean the snuff porn from Torch? Honor's hanging. Honor&Nimitz' 'clocks cleaning' at Protector's Palace. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:52 pm

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kzt wrote:
cthia wrote:Yet even in the Honorverse, two HD videos managed to go viral. I'm certain everyone can quickly recall the two viral instances? lol

You mean the snuff porn from Torch?

Honor's hanging.

Honor&Nimitz' 'clocks cleaning' at Protector's Palace.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:07 pm
cthia Fleet Admiral Posts: 14951 Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:10 pm	I keep reading disturbing posts akin to something like 'The Silesians should be happy to get the Andermani compared to who they have now. ' That's truly disturbing and just plain old... wrong. It makes me want to go and find Helga Boltitz and give her a big huge heaping helping of love and understanding. IMO, she basically issued this same concern to Gwen Archer regarding Manticore's help with Dresden. In a nutshell, why can't a polity just plain be good for us, not just better than what we have. That statement is denigrating and doesn't show much promise. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings

by cthia » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:07 pm

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I keep reading disturbing posts akin to something like 'The Silesians should be happy to get the Andermani compared to who they have now. '

That's truly disturbing and just plain old... wrong.

It makes me want to go and find Helga Boltitz and give her a big huge heaping helping of love and understanding. IMO, she basically issued this same concern to Gwen Archer regarding Manticore's help with Dresden. In a nutshell, why can't a polity just plain be good for us, not just better than what we have. That statement is denigrating and doesn't show much promise.

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