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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by SWM   » Mon May 18, 2015 10:43 pm

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cthia wrote:Has there been any textev regarding pheromones potentially playing a part? Pheromone -a chemical substance produced and released into the environment by an animal, especially a mammal or an insect, affecting the behavior or physiology of others of its species.

No. Quite the contrary, actually. Several adoptions took place while the parties were too far apart and too quickly for the treecat or human to have detected any pheromones from the other. Consider, for instance, Princess Adrienne, who had just come out of a building. The treecat was quite some distance away, and yet they both, instantly and simultaneously, turned to stare at each other in sudden shocked bonding.

It is clearly the mindglow which triggers the bonding, not pheromones or conscious consideration.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Tue May 19, 2015 11:54 am

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SWM wrote:
cthia wrote:Has there been any textev regarding pheromones potentially playing a part? Pheromone -a chemical substance produced and released into the environment by an animal, especially a mammal or an insect, affecting the behavior or physiology of others of its species.

No. Quite the contrary, actually. Several adoptions took place while the parties were too far apart and too quickly for the treecat or human to have detected any pheromones from the other. Consider, for instance, Princess Adrienne, who had just come out of a building. The treecat was quite some distance away, and yet they both, instantly and simultaneously, turned to stare at each other in sudden shocked bonding.

It is clearly the mindglow which triggers the bonding, not pheromones or conscious consideration.

It was a very windy day and the cat was downwind? :lol:

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I picked up one of my old-fashioned metal weights this morning. I don't use them to workout anymore. I use resistance equipment. But I picked up a 20 lb arm weight. Damn, that is some serious weight for an adult treecat - which weighs between 20-22 lbs.

Shit, 20 lbs coming in hot hitting you in the face itself can knock you for a loop. Imagining a flying 20 lb weight attached to P38's... :o and you get a renewed sense of "who let the damn cat outta the bag?!"

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Tue May 19, 2015 12:36 pm

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Death Fang's Bane killed a hexapuma with a vibro blade? What kind of damn knife is that? Seems like it would have to be more like a Star Wars light saber. A 'Puma is 7-10 feet long averaging 1500-2000 lbs. That is the weight of some small automobiles. A Scion iQ at 1800 lbs weighs less than a hexapuma.

So how the hell did Stephanie manage that kill? I'm thinking that it was an already injured 'Puma? I really have to hurry to that read.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Dauntless   » Tue May 19, 2015 12:44 pm

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cthia wrote:Death Fang's Bane killed a hexapuma with a vibro blade? What kind of damn knife is that? Seems like it would have to be more like a Star Wars light saber. A 'Puma is 7-10 feet long averaging 1500-2000 lbs. That is the weight of some small automobiles. A Scion iQ at 1800 lbs weighs less than a hexapuma.

So how the hell did Stephanie manage that kill? I'm thinking that it was an already injured 'Puma? I really have to hurry to that read.


don't want to spoil it too much, so i'll just say that good as the knife was she did not manage to remove a limb or the head with it.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by saber964   » Tue May 19, 2015 4:14 pm

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cthia wrote:Death Fang's Bane killed a hexapuma with a vibro blade? What kind of damn knife is that? Seems like it would have to be more like a Star Wars light saber. A 'Puma is 7-10 feet long averaging 1500-2000 lbs. That is the weight of some small automobiles. A Scion iQ at 1800 lbs weighs less than a hexapuma.

So how the hell did Stephanie manage that kill? I'm thinking that it was an already injured 'Puma? I really have to hurry to that read.


Read MacDallans chat with Lethbridge in ABF. Stephanie punctured a major artery near the mid-limb pelvis. The knife in question was a 18cm blade. To quote Lethbridge "the animal was already dead it just didn't know it yet".
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by George J. Smith   » Thu May 21, 2015 9:47 am

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From Cauldron of Ghosts
Jacques Benton-Ramirez y Chou states in a passage:

"If this Alignment had been willing to take even a fraction of the resources it must have invested in its conspiracies and its infiltration and the development of the technology that made Oyster Bay possible and spend it on propaganda—on education, for God’s sake—it almost certainly could have convinced a large minority, possibly even a majority, of the rest of the human race to go along with it. To embark, even if more gradually and more cautiously than the Alignment might prefer, on the deliberate improvement of the human genome"

Is that a bit of a slip of the tongue by Mr Weber, surely OB was only known as such to the Malign, to the GA it is known as The Yawata Strike?
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by SWM   » Thu May 21, 2015 1:33 pm

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George J. Smith wrote:From Cauldron of Ghosts
Jacques Benton-Ramirez y Chou states in a passage:

"If this Alignment had been willing to take even a fraction of the resources it must have invested in its conspiracies and its infiltration and the development of the technology that made Oyster Bay possible and spend it on propaganda—on education, for God’s sake—it almost certainly could have convinced a large minority, possibly even a majority, of the rest of the human race to go along with it. To embark, even if more gradually and more cautiously than the Alignment might prefer, on the deliberate improvement of the human genome"

Is that a bit of a slip of the tongue by Mr Weber, surely OB was only known as such to the Malign, to the GA it is known as The Yawata Strike?

It does look like a typo at first glance. However, it is possible that they learned the Alignment's name for the operation from the data stolen from Mesa.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by n7axw   » Thu May 21, 2015 8:52 pm

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Just to weigh in on this bonding bit...

I suspect that instead of intelligence as the word is commomly used, a more important word might be character. That would embrace words like compassion, reliability, integrity, humor, courage and so on. What attracts the cats is the core of who a peron is.

I wouldn't discount intelligence altogether. But I have known highly intelligent people who were not trustworthy and others who were complete nulls in the practical sense department.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Thu May 21, 2015 11:11 pm

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It has been proven in scientific study that animals communicate amongst themselves via telepathy. Sometimes at great distances.

Normal 'hearing' amongst different species operate at a certain frequency...
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Telepathy is often speculated to operate at a certain frequency. I wonder if there is a natural frequency of cats. If so, could it be exploited by the MAlign? Could treecat empathic 'frequencies' be interrupted?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Thu May 21, 2015 11:22 pm

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n7axw wrote:Just to weigh in on this bonding bit...

I suspect that instead of intelligence as the word is commomly used, a more important word might be character. That would embrace words like compassion, reliability, integrity, humor, courage and so on. What attracts the cats is the core of who a peron is.

I wouldn't discount intelligence altogether. But I have known highly intelligent people who were not trustworthy and others who were complete nulls in the practical sense department.

Don

Interesting Don. And you may well have something there. I opined that it is 'personality' in conjunction with intelligence. But, 'character' may well be the head of the nail.

I once conducted a job interview with someone I found to be passionate, energetic, intelligent, engaging, and prepared. As I asked her questions designed to produce an accurate picture of her potential future performance, I remained attuned to my emotional reactions to her demeanor, trying to hear what my inner voice(link is external) was telling me about her. At the end of the interview I found myself excited about the prospect of her coming to work for me. I had to remind myself to remain cautious, however, as I reflected on just how easy it is to confuse personality with character and how critical it is to separate them.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Personality is easy to read, and we're all experts at it. We judge people funny, extroverted, energetic, optimistic, confident—as well as overly serious, lazy, negative, and shy—if not upon first meeting them, then shortly thereafter. And though we may need more than one interaction to confirm the presence of these sorts of traits, by the time we decide they are, in fact, present we've usually amassed enough data to justify our conclusions.

Character, on the other hand, takes far longer to puzzle out. It includes traits that reveal themselves only in specific—and often uncommon—circumstances, traits like honesty, virtue, and kindliness. Ironically, research has shown that personality traits are determined largely by heredity and are mostly immutable. The arguably more important traits of character, on the other hand, are more malleable—though, we should note, not without great effort. Character traits, as opposed to personality traits, are based on beliefs (e.g., that honesty and treating others well is important—or not), and though beliefs can be changed, it's far harder than most realize.

WHY DOES IT MATTER?

The problem in forming judgments about a person's suitability for important roles in our lives (employee, friend, lover, spouse) is that we all have an uncanny predilection for observing attractive personality traits and manufacturing out of them the presence of positive character traits (that is, if someone is outgoing, confident, and fun we're more likely to think they're honest, moral, and kind). But it's far from clear that the one kind tracks with the other. In fact, as I recounted in Listening To Your Inner Voice(link is external), that assumption often gets us into trouble.

We unconsciously tend to connect personality to character for two main reasons: we want to like people we already like, and the most reliable way to assess a person's character is laborious and time consuming. (We actually need to observe people in character-challenging situations in order to make reliable deductions about their character. For example, if we observe someone lie easily, we can be reasonably certain from even just one instance that they've done so in the past and will do so again in the future, as the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.)

This is because the beliefs that drive us to do things like lie easily, or tell the truth, are present in us at all times. They may remain "dormant" until circumstances stir them up in such a way that they motivate observable action, but they're rarely hidden away deliberately. Which begs the question: might there be a way to glimpse such beliefs without waiting for circumstances to put them on full display?

In a word—yes. Not so much by speaking directly with people whose character you're trying to uncover, but by speaking with people who know the people whose character you're trying to uncover. This is why, for example, wise prospective employers always call references.

The challenge, though, once we do is that prospective employees provide references they expect will speak well of them. The trick, then, is to ask questions of a person's references designed to get them to reveal their most accurate judgments honestly.

Questions like "Have you ever known X to lie?" aren't useful because the answer you get will depend on the character of the person you're asking. You won't know if a reference is comfortable lying themselves, so the veracity of any answer you get will remain questionable at best. For this reason, it's better to ask questions that push people to apply their own judgment. These kind of questions are more likely (though certainly not in all circumstances) to return honest answers. Therefore, instead ask things like, "What in your judgment is X's greatest weakness?" The implication here is that everyone has weaknesses, so it's unreasonable to expect the answer to be "none." It's harder to make up a weakness on the spot than to tell the truth about a weakness that a reference actually perceives, so you're more likely to get an honest assessment. Your reference may try to play down the weakness they reveal, but you can read between the lines.

The drawback to this technique is that it relies on the judgment of individuals, which we know is biased and often flawed. This drawback can be overcome, however, by asking the same questions of many people who know the person in whose character you're interested. As I wrote in a previous post, The Wisdom Of Crowds(link is external), if multiple people independently return similar answers, the likelihood that their collective judgment will be accurate is high.

Though it may seem Machiavellian, you can apply this process to friends and potential mates as well. The average length of time, for instance, people date before deciding to marry is approximately three years in the United Kingdom(link is external) (a figure, I should note, that varies widely by culture). The challenge with deciding to marry someone after knowing them only three years, for example, is that some important character traits, good and bad, may not have revealed themselves by then. Of course, it's socially awkward bordering on inappropriate to interrogate a potential mate's friends and family about them directly. And though I'm not suggesting anyone do this, I am suggesting we can and should pay attention to data as it's presented to us by others as they may be in possession of better data than we are. People generally have a hard time hiding their true feelings about others over time, so if you hear common themes from people close to the person in whose character you're interested, pay attention. You're almost certainly hearing the truth.

I don't mean by any of the above to imply that personality isn't important. But when we're making decisions about who to let into our lives in critical roles, character must be considered equally important, if not more so, but is often readily overlooked. Luckily for me, the references of the person I interviewed all that time ago not only provided strong endorsements but endorsements whose content was consistent. I hired her and over time I found her to be as outstanding as her references predicted she would be.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ha ... -character

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