Nicholas
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brnicholas, the Voice Net wasn't COMPLETELY cut, there's that kid who survived, and I think the water gap in Trisum is behind him
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by brnicholas » Wed May 20, 2015 8:22 pm | |
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I could be confused but my understanding is that the Salby Portal and the portal to Salym and thus Sharona are both in Eurasia while the portal toward Kelsayr is in North America. So the water gap is between Kelsayr and Fort Salby.
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by SCC » Wed May 20, 2015 8:35 pm | |
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Possibly, my geography isn't the best, and the lack using name we're familiar with doesn't help. Personally I'd REALLY like it if someone could put together some maps showing were all the portals are and the paths between them
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Battalion Cap! re: RTH Official Snippet #3 | |
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by Howard T. Map-addict » Thu May 21, 2015 3:50 pm | |
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Hark! At last!! a Battalion-Captain!!!
First in all three books!!! Only one (so far) on a Staff of Regiment-Captains, hence youngest, hence Deemed Very Good! Planing, Ops, AND Intelligence. HTM Military people: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3227 Next questions: does a Ternath Battalion-Captain rank even with an Arcanan Com-500, or Com-1000? Does Ternath have an equal for both, or does the only one that they have rank between Arcana's two? HTM
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by Howard T. Map-addict » Thu May 21, 2015 4:19 pm | |
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1. Sharonan Force to Kelsar & beyond, quickly.
..A. Since 2nd Brigade is a full week from Salby, it has not entered Traisum yet. It, or part of it, can be directed to Kelsar, without counter-marching towards Salby and then back. There seems to be no direct route yet from Salby (on the wrong side of the Finger {Red} Sea) to the Mbisi. ..B. With Arcanan Regulars known to be through Nairsom into Resar, Sharona *needs* Regulars on that chain, lest the Arcanans advance much farther and steal some worlds. That being the case, the Sharonans might as well advance as far as they reasonably can. --------------- 2 Best Arcanan strategy: cut Sharonan RR. ..A. It is possible that the dragonflight-supplied Arcanans *have not yet realized* that all Sharonan supplies must be hauled overland. I'm sure they'll figure it out soon enough. ..B. The Arcanan spells weaken as they get closer to Sharonan. Hence they might be too weak to block in Traisum, and would be even weaker if they went to Salym and tried there. In Karys an Arcanan blocking force would be stronger. In Failcham, stronger still. Thus Harshu should reject the temptation to advance further, and plan to defend the Karys steppe. ..C. Yes, I agree, and I also find it Expert Confirmation that that is Arcana's Best Plan. I deem Karys a better place than Traisum for it, and Failcham better still. HTM
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water gaps re: RTH Official Snippet #3 | |
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by Howard T. Map-addict » Thu May 21, 2015 4:29 pm | |
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In the book HG, the week's delay was for all water gaps,
three of them. The Pacific Gap of 6000 miles did account for most of it. The Pacific Ocean is Wide, whichever way you cross it. There are insufficient places for Voice Relay Points. The Traisum Gap is the length of the Mbisi + the width of the North Atlantic. Parallel land routes are nearby, and were given this week by several of us: Quebec, Labrador, Greenland, Iceland, Scotland, Devon, Brest, Bordeaux, Bilbao, Malaga, and then either side of the Mbisi, can each be a Voice Relay Point, even for less-strong Voices. With stronger Voices, fewer Relays needed. HTM
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by Mil-tech bard » Thu May 21, 2015 5:07 pm | |
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Two passages from the snippet stand out.
This --
Means that any sort of engagement of a Sharonan force moving up on an Arcanian one sitting in a fixed position will see the Arcanian one out scouted. The worse the weather, the better it is for the Sharonans. Far Seer Talents combined with voices or teleporter talents beats Dragon sight and ground troop night vision spellware. This will be an extremely unpleasant surprise for the Arcanians who are on the defensive. and this shows the Sharonans know it --
It also means the voice communication advantage allows the Sharonans to closely coordinate a multiple column military campaign at continental distances. NB: Distance is not a real obstacle to the Sharonans given their reconnaissance, communications and engineer capabilities. Anyplace not covered by a significant military force will be overcome and crossed/bridged before the Arcanians know it. Very neat. We are going to see another mobile phase as this plays out. The Arcanians can't develop the Dragon raiding counter strategy without knowing the Sharonans engineering, scouting and communications advantages...and having enough war dragons to implement it. |
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Re: water gaps re: RTH Official Snippet #3 | |
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by brnicholas » Thu May 21, 2015 6:14 pm | |
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Is the loop around the north of the Atlantic really all that much shorter relative to the straight sail compared to the loop around the north of the Pacific? Iceland after all is not near a straight run from Gibraltar to Florida. And the Pacific loop is on the first world out from Sharona, if they are going to voice chain around any water gap that would be it and we heard so much in HG and HHNF about the shortage of PA voices.
Still, yes it is possible, pending more information all I can really say is "I don't know." Nicholas
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by brnicholas » Thu May 21, 2015 6:21 pm | |
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One thing that jumped out at me as I reflected on this snippet is the claim that once the construction crews get in place they can build 25 miles of double tracked rail line and 25 miles of pipeline a day!
Assuming this is true that forces me to revise my estimates of Sharonan industry and population in Traisum and Kelsyr way way way up. Given what is being said about how the military movements are tying up transport the rails and pipe for this almost have to be local production. That means there is a city somewhere nearby (in Traisum at around the same place as Pittsburgh seems most likely as a source for coal, iron and oil) with enough industry to supply that building project. I don't know what the minimum size is to do that but that civilian population is significant. Nicholas |
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by SCC » Thu May 21, 2015 11:23 pm | |
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I believe that there's been mention of significant civilian population around Fort Shelby
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by PeterZ » Fri May 22, 2015 12:21 am | |
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Rereading now and Salbytown has ~2,000 residents down from ~7,000-8,000. Also, the Cut was was the bottleneck for developing further along this chain. That suggests to me the rails and additional infrastructure might have already been produced and is waiting to be deployed. Might be that the rails will be laid down very quickly indeed. |
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