Point of View: Wishes and Likes

roseandheather wrote:

cthia wrote:I'd like the POV of long term follow up armsmen on Haven and in the vicinity of President Pritchart.

I know we had that interesting occasion with Honor. But much too brief.

Armsmen on Torch could be rather interesting as well.

I WANT IT WITH ALL THE FIRE IN MY SOUL.

Hell, give me The West Wing: Haven Edition. Give me Eloise's brilliant, erudite, sesquipedalian staff endlessly roaming the halls of Pericard Tower discussing the inner workings of the Havenite government. Give me Eloise commanding instant respect whenever she walks into a room. Give me Eloise saying, "This starship is going to Manticore!" Give me Eloise being a complete fucking badass every day of the week, and her staff not-so-subtly swooning at it.

*whimpering noises*

cthia wrote:

roseandheather" quote="cthia wrote:I'd like the POV of Eloise's constituents when she had to return to Haven and sell the idea of an alliance with the awful Manties.

All of the little Havenite kids and many officer's sentiment...

"You mean the big bad boogeymander will no longer get us?"

I'm pretty sure that Eloise's return to Haven in the wake of ART could form the basis for an entire novel of its own, given all the political horsetrading that must have been going on behind the scenes.

...I WANT IT.

Bill Woods wrote:But the peace treaty was sold while Pritchart was out of town. And it couldn't have been too hard, since only 11 Havenite senators voted against it, out of at least 200. The gist of the treaty was negotiated while Honor was at Haven; they basically just dropped the reparations section and added the alliance(s) against the Malign and the League.

saber964 wrote:IIRC you are referring to Rep Gerald Younger.

wikia wrote:In anticipation of the impending First Havenite-Manticoran War, Second Space Lord Vice Admiral Patricia Givens suggested a plan to Admiral Caparelli to deceive the People's Navy into believing Sebastian D'Orville's Second Fleet in the Yeltsin's Star System had sent four battle squadrons to Talbot Station and entice the PN to attack Grayson.

In fact, four battle squadrons under Admiral White Haven were surreptitiously detached from Home Fleet. With such reinforcements, the temporarily enlarged Second Fleet was established.

Manticoran Prime Minister Allen Summervale approved the plan after consulting with Lord Michael Mayhew, Protector Benjamin IX's heir. (HH3)

Order of battle

Aside from commanding officer's names, a detailed order of battle is unknown. As second in command in the Second Fleet - Admiral D'Orville - was in the position to command a task force. Admiral Wesley Matthews was in charge with the Grayson Space Navy. (HH3)

Strengths

Manticoran Alliance forces

Royal Manticoran Navy Second Fleet was comprised of about 12 battle squadrons.[1] Screen included GSN and RMN forces. This screen included the squadron where Jackson Kriangsak were positioned towards the Havenite Fleet's flank.. [2]

People's Navy

Estimated strength of Fleet Admiral Parnell’s task force was about 86 ships of wall, which made an equivalent of 11 battle squadrons.[3]

Course of battle

Earl White Haven used his stealth systems and low-powered wedges to keep the Peeps from seeing his additional units. (HH9)

The battle was fought at the same time as the First Battle of Hancock. Admiral Parnell's units were savagely mauled by the allied forces in the ambush prepared by the Second Fleet: the People's Navy task force lost half of its ships of the wall. (HH3)

Analyzing the course of battle later Admiral Jackson Kriangsak confirmed that had Admiral Parnell been any lesser of a tactitian in the course of battle, the entire invading force would have been lost, but easily evaded the Manticoran Screen best in position to complete the envelopment. (HH9)

roseandheather wrote:Judging by the pattern of past appearances, my lover (no, not Eloise, that's my wife -- and no, not Theisman, that's my other lover -- I'm talking about Allen Higgins here!) is due for an appearance in the upcoming novel.

PLEASE DO NOT LET HIM BE SHAT UPON BY THE UNIVERSE THIS TIME. Please give him a victory, if not an outright triumph of a rout that involves terrified Solarians running from him whilst collectively crapping their drawers. Please let the poor man not need another round of therapy. PLEASE KEEP HIM SAFE AND ALIVE AND SANE AND PREFERABLY VICTORIOUS.

(Also please marry him off to me, but that's a wish upon a star and I know it.)

"We meet again, Admiral Tourville," she said, and her soprano voice was cold.

cthia wrote:We were always afforded the POV of Elizabeth's of her displaying gratitude and recognition of Honor. She showered her with many gifts - much to Honor's chagrin.

It sure would have been nice to see that side of Eloise. Of course, she doesn't have the royal piggy bank to play with as Elizabeth, but acknowledgement, praise and satisfaction goes a long way. I would have loved to see Shannon patted on the back for her "Oops." Or for her part in Harrington's escape from Tepes, her doing the morally right thing. For Theisman to be patted on the back by Elly. Perhaps in a "Sit down, why don't you. I've been meaning to share my pleasure with you... with you."

How does Shannon handle praise? As beet red as Honor?

Besides, there are many Havenites that deserve it. To think that there was a time that what they got, was a bullet to the head.

Is the education system so lacking on Haven that they've never heard of positive reinforcement?

I'd also like to see other officers on Manticore praised. That's one sure thing I LOVED about Honor. Her quiet teaching style. And her overabundance of praise.

You'll pull out your heart to please someone like that.

Why, you'd even follow them to hell and back.

JeffEngel wrote:Anton Zilwicki after the Manpower Incident is practically in that category - sort of beached forever due to the political mess that caused and getting Manticoran dirty laundry aired so publicly while a serving officer.

cthia wrote:

JeffEngel wrote:Anton Zilwicki after the Manpower Incident is practically in that category - sort of beached forever due to the political mess that caused and getting Manticoran dirty laundry aired so publicly while a serving officer.

I remember mention of this somewhere in textev, but was a formal passage offered of it? And surely, after the prodigal spy returned with Cachat, he was off the hook.

...That very morning, in fact, and by his lover Cathy Montaigne.

"I think Mommy was right," whispered Berry. "You should have worn your uniform."

"They put me on half-pay," he growled. "I'm supposed to wear that silly dress uniform—most uncomfortable thing I own—afterward? Like a poodle sitting up to beg forgiveness?"

Again, the majordomo and the officers got stiff-faced. But Elizabeth simply gave Anton a long and considering look. "No, that you haven't," she said. "Someday you'll have to tell me all the details of what happened in Chicago, but I know enough about the affair to understand the heart of it. Two swine gave you a choice between being a father and having a career, and you shoved the choice right down their throats."

It was not, Anton reflected, normally considered appropriate for a monarch to refer to her ambassador to the most powerful star nation in the galaxy and to one of her more senior admirals as "swine." Not that Elizabeth seemed concerned by the thought.

"Did you hesitate at all?" she asked.

"Not for a second." He moved his massive shoulders in a little shrug. "Being a beachcomber's not so bad, when you get down to it."

"Good. I believe I can trust a man who isn't afraid of being on the beach when he has to."

cthia wrote:

roseandheather wrote:Judging by the pattern of past appearances, my lover (no, not Eloise, that's my wife -- and no, not Theisman, that's my other lover -- I'm talking about Allen Higgins here!) is due for an appearance in the upcoming novel.

PLEASE DO NOT LET HIM BE SHAT UPON BY THE UNIVERSE THIS TIME. Please give him a victory, if not an outright triumph of a rout that involves terrified Solarians running from him whilst collectively crapping their drawers. Please let the poor man not need another round of therapy. PLEASE KEEP HIM SAFE AND ALIVE AND SANE AND PREFERABLY VICTORIOUS.

(Also please marry him off to me, but that's a wish upon a star and I know it.)

I'm all for that Rose. It would be nice to see Allen get a chance at redemption. All through the series we've witnessed officers who were given a chance to redeem themselves.