Point of View: Wishes and Likes

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

cthia wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

cthia wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

Agreed. Inasmuch as the two situations are relatable.

My ire isn't directed at Castellano, but Young, at how - even in his moment of judgment, he manages to spoil Honor's fun.

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

cthia wrote:Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

Of course in retrospect, it would have been better if Honor hadn't fired, since Pavel would still be dead, shot by the Master of the Field for his violation of the rules. As it is, Honor still gets the kill. Casellano only shot a dead body, which might constitute desecration of a corpse, but doesn't count as a kill.

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

cthia wrote:Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Of course in retrospect, it would have been better if Honor hadn't fired, since Pavel would still be dead, shot by the Master of the Field for his violation of the rules. As it is, Honor still gets the kill. Casellano only shot a dead body, which might constitute desecration of a corpse, but doesn't count as a kill.

But of course that totally disregards the 'joy of the kill.' Honor needed to kill Young herself. For herself. It is something that she had a hard time disseminating. Enough of leaving the job for someone else to do. Far too many years of that shit, and failures of others, that Honor was fed up.

You ever watched a movie and someone says "But leave that sonofabitch for ME. He's MINE!"

Same sentiment.

cthia wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

cthia wrote:Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Of course in retrospect, it would have been better if Honor hadn't fired, since Pavel would still be dead, shot by the Master of the Field for his violation of the rules. As it is, Honor still gets the kill. Casellano only shot a dead body, which might constitute desecration of a corpse, but doesn't count as a kill.

But of course that totally disregards the 'joy of the kill.' Honor needed to kill Young herself. For herself. It is something that she had a hard time disseminating. Enough of leaving the job for someone else to do. Far too many years of that shit, and failures of others, that Honor was fed up.

You ever watched a movie and someone says "But leave that sonofabitch for ME. He's MINE!"

Same sentiment.

Except, I don't think she felt she had to kill him herself. She wanted him punished for what he did, yes, but the way she did it was the only honorable way it could be done. I suspect she would have been perfectly happy if he was arrested, tried, and executed for Paul's murder, but there wasn't enough evidence for that. She had to do it the way she did because she could not allow him to get away with what he did. She has a vengeful side, but it almost never slips its reigns, and when it does, it is not loose for long.

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

cthia wrote:Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Of course in retrospect, it would have been better if Honor hadn't fired, since Pavel would still be dead, shot by the Master of the Field for his violation of the rules. As it is, Honor still gets the kill. Casellano only shot a dead body, which might constitute desecration of a corpse, but doesn't count as a kill.

cthia wrote:But of course that totally disregards the 'joy of the kill.' Honor needed to kill Young herself. For herself. It is something that she had a hard time disseminating. Enough of leaving the job for someone else to do. Far too many years of that shit, and failures of others, that Honor was fed up.

You ever watched a movie and someone says "But leave that sonofabitch for ME. He's MINE!"

Same sentiment.

crewdude48 wrote:
Except, I don't think she felt she had to kill him herself. She wanted him punished for what he did, yes, but the way she did it was the only honorable way it could be done. I suspect she would have been perfectly happy if he was arrested, tried, and executed for Paul's murder, but there wasn't enough evidence for that. She had to do it the way she did because she could not allow him to get away with what he did. She has a vengeful side, but it almost never slips its reigns, and when it does, it is not loose for long.

I completely agree. I was pointing out that things might have turned out better for her if she hadn't shot him herself - not that I hold her a fault for doing so. And very probably Grayson would have gotten completely trashed in 4th Yeltsin.

What were the thoughts of the treecats when Stephanie Harrington first caught them red-handed with celery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO-Np9-pIkY

Isn't that pov recorded in A Beautiful Friendship? Both of the catchee and the rest of the clan?
Cheers
John

cthia wrote:What were the thoughts of the treecats when Stephanie Harrington first caught them red-handed with celery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO-Np9-pIkY

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

cthia wrote:Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Of course in retrospect, it would have been better if Honor hadn't fired, since Pavel would still be dead, shot by the Master of the Field for his violation of the rules. As it is, Honor still gets the kill. Casellano only shot a dead body, which might constitute desecration of a corpse, but doesn't count as a kill.

cthia wrote:But of course that totally disregards the 'joy of the kill.' Honor needed to kill Young herself. For herself. It is something that she had a hard time disseminating. Enough of leaving the job for someone else to do. Far too many years of that shit, and failures of others, that Honor was fed up.

You ever watched a movie and someone says "But leave that sonofabitch for ME. He's MINE!"

Same sentiment.

crewdude48 wrote:
Except, I don't think she felt she had to kill him herself. She wanted him punished for what he did, yes, but the way she did it was the only honorable way it could be done. I suspect she would have been perfectly happy if he was arrested, tried, and executed for Paul's murder, but there wasn't enough evidence for that. She had to do it the way she did because she could not allow him to get away with what he did. She has a vengeful side, but it almost never slips its reigns, and when it does, it is not loose for long.

fallsfromtrees wrote:I completely agree. I was pointing out that things might have turned out better for her if she hadn't shot him herself - not that I hold her a fault for doing so. And very probably Grayson would have gotten completely trashed in 4th Yeltsin.

Perfectly reasonable assumption, but contemplating the political atmosphere regarding Honor at the time, I'm not so sure there would have been much difference in the final result if her challenging him resulted in his death.