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Joat42 wrote:That problem may cost a couple hours of some techs time troubleshooting the equipment instead of having to foot the bill for crewing up an SD and keeping it running.

I've said repeatedly that the direct use of captured ships is temporary. You're the only poster in this thread that has predicted "hours" -- everyone else has predicted six months to two years to prepare ground-side facilities.

I happen to think wasting six months to two years without using the equipment in-place is, well... A Waste of resources.

A harbor watch is going to be necessary whatever happens, to support security details on the captured ships. A ferry crew is going to be necessary at some point because Spindle doesn't have a shipyard capable of disassembling the SDs and they'll have to be taken somewhere that is capable.

Moving the ships under their own power and/or maintaining a harbor watch once they're moved isn't going to cost much of anything anything additional.

The E wrote:Now please answer the question: Given all the information onboard these ships, given the manufacturing capabilities they (and the honorverse in general) possesses, what exactly is the problem that makes ripping out the parts you want prohibitively expensive?

It probably is NOT prohibitively expensive, it is wasteful of six months to two years of time. (according to you and other posters in this thread.)

If you rip the equipment out and transport it two weeks or a months transit time away from the manuals and technical data, how does having the tech data help you?

Everything needed to move and prepare ground-side facilities is aboard those ships -- accessible and useable.

I was unaware that data was so intimately tied to the hardware it is stored in that it cannot be transported except in the SDs it came in. Despite the several readthroughs of the Honorverse novels I had over the years, that particular nuance has so far eluded me; If you would be so kind as to point out where this was mentioned, I would be most grateful.

Weird Harold wrote:

Joat42 wrote:That problem may cost a couple hours of some techs time troubleshooting the equipment instead of having to foot the bill for crewing up an SD and keeping it running.

I've said repeatedly that the direct use of captured ships is temporary. You're the only poster in this thread that has predicted "hours" -- everyone else has predicted six months to two years to prepare ground-side facilities.

I happen to think wasting six months to two years without using the equipment in-place is, well... A Waste of resources.

A harbor watch is going to be necessary whatever happens, to support security details on the captured ships. A ferry crew is going to be necessary at some point because Spindle doesn't have a shipyard capable of disassembling the SDs and they'll have to be taken somewhere that is capable.

Moving the ships under their own power and/or maintaining a harbor watch once they're moved isn't going to cost much of anything anything additional.

Taking a ship through hyper compared to using the station keeping thrusters is a huge difference in cost and resources. Station keeping is more or less automated, hyper-travel not very much.

But it so cost inefficient and the manpower has to come from somewhere. It's far more efficient just to strip the salvageable equipment out, service what needs servicing and package it for storage and transport. This is what professional breakers do, they are very good at it.

Then you transport the stuff to where it's needed when it's needed, if it's not needed: put it in storage. If it's too outdated: recycle.

Weird Harold wrote:It probably is NOT prohibitively expensive, it is wasteful of six months to two years of time. (according to you and other posters in this thread.)

If you rip the equipment out and transport it two weeks or a months transit time away from the manuals and technical data, how does having the tech data help you?

Everything needed to move and prepare ground-side facilities is aboard those ships -- accessible and useable.

And if you rip the equipment out now and it's not need for 6 months or for 2 years, so what? The cost for the storage is negligible and you even have time to service the stuff.

The manuals and technical data are just electronic documents. They are quite easy to move around, it's not like you need an SD to read them, hmmm?!? All that's needed are a computer terminal and a memory chip. Duplicate memory chips could even be distributed with the recycled equipment.

The E wrote:I was unaware that data was so intimately tied to the hardware it is stored in that it cannot be transported except in the SDs it came in.

How much external memory will you need to download everything in an SD's computer databanks? Why download it into extra memory when the SD already has it in memory.


It is not that it cannot be transported, it is that it is an added, unnecessary step.

Joat42 wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:A harbor watch is going to be necessary whatever happens, to support security details on the captured ships. A ferry crew is going to be necessary at some point because Spindle doesn't have a shipyard capable of disassembling the SDs and they'll have to be taken somewhere that is capable.

Taking a ship through hyper compared to using the station keeping thrusters is a huge difference in cost and resources. Station keeping is more or less automated, hyper-travel not very much.

Try reading the post you're refuting.

Weird Harold wrote:

Joat42 wrote:That problem may cost a couple hours of some techs time troubleshooting the equipment instead of having to foot the bill for crewing up an SD and keeping it running.

I've said repeatedly that the direct use of captured ships is temporary. You're the only poster in this thread that has predicted "hours" -- everyone else has predicted six months to two years to prepare ground-side facilities.

I happen to think wasting six months to two years without using the equipment in-place is, well... A Waste of resources.

Actually, you are the only one I have seen suggesting it would take six months to two years to prepare ground-side facilities. Everyone else I have seen said a few weeks to a couple months.

Weird Harold wrote:

Joat42 wrote:That problem may cost a couple hours of some techs time troubleshooting the equipment instead of having to foot the bill for crewing up an SD and keeping it running.

I've said repeatedly that the direct use of captured ships is temporary. You're the only poster in this thread that has predicted "hours" -- everyone else has predicted six months to two years to prepare ground-side facilities.

NO. Everyone has been saying hours-->days.

Hospitals exist already. Hospitals already have operating rooms. Hospitals already have empty operating rooms that need equipment. Hospitals do not operate at 100% capacity. In fact, hospitals are FORCED BY LAW to keep a %%% of their rooms(beds) and operating rooms free or they are forced, by law, to remove patients and send them to hospitals that DO HAVE ROOM. Hospitals on planet already have electrical/mechanical technicians on staff freely available to plug said equipment into power.

Now, I suppose there are a few planets that have regressed, and thrown these common sense laws out. Certainly not all. Certainly not all hospitals on a single planet unless they are government run. All bets are off if this is true. Are there some such in the TQ? Yes, probably.

You are not building a whole building here from scratch. Well, you are. No one else is. At worst converting a partialy used or unused operating room into a modern operating room(s). Even if one did not use a hospital. All it takes is moving into freely available commercial space. About a month in this case. Would take at least this long just to learn the new equipment. Killing somone out of sheer ignorance would be a wonderful way to show everyone your "new miracle equipment."

SWM wrote:Actually, you are the only one I have seen suggesting it would take six months ...

The first mention of any time frame since I joined the thread:

The E » 27 Apr 2014, 12:16 wrote:...Not by a long shot. You also have so far failed to demonstrate why these measures are needed so desperately right now that you need to get almost a hundred thousand POWs to sign on with the SEM, or why half a year or so of delay before proper measures can be taken is completely inacceptible.

I won't waste any more time tracking down the longer references, but I have avoided making or endorsing any hard time frame.

Weird Harold wrote:

SWM wrote:Actually, you are the only one I have seen suggesting it would take six months ...

The first mention of any time frame since I joined the thread:

The E » 27 Apr 2014, 12:16 wrote:...Not by a long shot. You also have so far failed to demonstrate why these measures are needed so desperately right now that you need to get almost a hundred thousand POWs to sign on with the SEM, or why half a year or so of delay before proper measures can be taken is completely inacceptible.

I think the half year delay is the estimate to get your POWs screened, paroled and assigned. As well as have the ships restored to flight status (i.e. run standard maintenance checks, fix whatever has broken during the 'floating around unused' period, reassign officers and gaolers etc. There is also travel time, setting up of space ambulance traffic/protocols/schedule, finding staff for the medical facilities.

That also does not take into account the POWs that have been paroled and not needed to maintain your space based hospital ship. I don't think you'd just leave them in the ship or le hem go wherever they want to. Since they are paroled you cannot send them back to the prison islands.

You are adding layers and layers of problems when everybody has been saying that removing the equipment and installing them groundside is a trivial problem.