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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue May 06, 2014 5:26 am

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crewdude48 wrote:
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or it might be as complicated as constructing specialized cables to connect component racks for the equipment to plug into.


And it would still be easier than hauling an entire SD, just to use the equipment on it.


IF that is all that is required -- which I wouldn't expect to be the case.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Joat42   » Tue May 06, 2014 6:06 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
crewdude48 wrote:And it would still be easier than hauling an entire SD, just to use the equipment on it.

IF that is all that is required -- which I wouldn't expect to be the case.


Why wouldn't it? I can't see on what grounds you are basing this assumption on? It's all well-known and OLD solly tech. Any machine shop could probably churn out needed adapters in volume without any problems.

It seems everything except flying around in these SD's are problematic and difficult in your opinion.

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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue May 06, 2014 7:32 am

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Joat42 wrote:I can't see on what grounds you are basing this assumption on?


21 years of dealing with a military mindset and MILSPEC procurement.

Plus textev of SLN corruption and graft.

Joat42 wrote:It seems everything except flying around in these SD's are problematic and difficult in your opinion.


Adm Crandall, et al flew those captured ships into the Split System and the survivors mostly surrendered without a scratch; why would flying them around be problematic and difficult? Prize crews fly captured ships around, with the aid of captured crewmen, all the time.

I don't see using something in the way it was intended as problematic or particularly difficult. I do see possible problems when you start ripping things apart with the intent of using the pieces somewhere else.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by The E   » Tue May 06, 2014 7:58 am

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Weird Harold wrote:I don't see using something in the way it was intended as problematic or particularly difficult. I do see possible problems when you start ripping things apart with the intent of using the pieces somewhere else.


Yeah, but "how are we going to power these systems" isn't one of them.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue May 06, 2014 8:09 am

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The E wrote:Yeah, but "how are we going to power these systems" isn't one of them.


It should be. :roll:
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by The E   » Tue May 06, 2014 8:19 am

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Weird Harold wrote:It should be. :roll:


No. You claim that these SDs can be used to educate an entire planet in modern technology and its application. You claim that these SDs have all the maintenance information needed to keep them in service in their data banks. Getting the specs for a power supply, or the protocols for a data line, should be as easy as punching a few queries into a database; manufacturing connectors and converters shouldn't be much harder given the tools onboard these ships, never mind the tools available on the civilian market.

I don't exactly see the point you're trying to make here. Figuring out how to make the equipment work isn't that hard, especially given that everything that there is to know about this equipment is present in the databases of the ships that carry it, and in the presence of whatever 3D printing has evolved into over 2000 years.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Joat42   » Tue May 06, 2014 8:19 am

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Weird Harold wrote:I don't see using something in the way it was intended as problematic or particularly difficult. I do see possible problems when you start ripping things apart with the intent of using the pieces somewhere else.


That problem may cost a couple hours of some techs time troubleshooting the equipment instead of having to foot the bill for crewing up an SD and keeping it running.

It's all down to what does it cost. Crewing and servicing the SD's costs money and resources the whole time, ripping out usable and serviceable equipment has a one-time cost before you sell it or gift it to some needy planetary government. Do it right you may even end up with a net plus.

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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by n7axw   » Tue May 06, 2014 10:28 am

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crewdude48 wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:snip...
or it might be as complicated as constructing specialized cables to connect component racks for the equipment to plug into.


And it would still be easier than hauling an entire SD, just to use the equipment on it.


Not necessarily easier. You don't haul the SD anywhere. You put on the needed crew to move it, or to be tongue in cheek, you drive the antiquated old sucker. Then when you have it where you want to park it, you take you "moving crew" off.

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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue May 06, 2014 11:00 am

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The E wrote:No. You claim that these SDs can be used to educate an entire planet in modern technology and its application. ...


You're putting "words in my mouth, again."

I said each SD could provide the equivalent of a small Solarian University ~~6000 campus population total, including students, teachers and maintenance. Subtract for any medical personnel & patients.

None of that is even close to "educate an entire planet"
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by The E   » Tue May 06, 2014 11:04 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
The E wrote:You're putting "words in my mouth, again."


I'm using hyperbole. Sue me.

Now please answer the question: Given all the information onboard these ships, given the manufacturing capabilities they (and the honorverse in general) possesses, what exactly is the problem that makes ripping out the parts you want prohibitively expensive? What exactly is the problem that makes building converters and adapters for these pieces of equipment a huge issue?
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