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crewdude48 wrote: They have home built ERMs that out range anything the Solies have, and if the Havenites or Manties haven't given them some MDM pods, than they are idiots. I know I would, considering that they are the closest member of the Haven Quadrent to the League.

That would be the stupidest possible thing they could do, other then drop shipping a complete pod and full design documentation to the SLN HQ. A significant percentage of the SLN personnel in Maya still are under the impression that they work for the SLN.

kzt wrote:That would be the stupidest possible thing they could do, other then drop shipping a complete pod and full design documentation to the SLN HQ. A significant percentage of the SLN personnel in Maya still are under the impression that they work for the SLN.

Crewdude was talking about the Erewhonese, not the Mayans. Besides, Erewhon already has MDM pods, and has been outfitting Rozsak's arsenal ships with them.

Yep, keep proving you are hopelessly ignorant regarding anything with a wire attached.

Those connectors are not power connectors to equipment. The connectors shown are sub-assembly power and data stream connectors for analog/digital systems tied to a central "computer" tied to a central power source. Used for instance on CNC machines or other machine equipment. Branches out of a centralized power distribution source with multiple voltages, 3V, 5V, 12V, 24V, 48V, 110V, 240V depending on the wire bundle going to different sensors, motors, relays, etc. A common 12 pin connector will be used for 4 different sensors made up of possibly 4 different voltages with pos/neg and signal. Here I am assuming the common ground is the connector itself, otherwise you would need to buy a 13 pin connector.

So, far you have advanced from digging with a shovel, to digging with a steam shovel. What is your encore? Nuclear munitions?

Just stop man. People 2000 years from now are smart enough to place labels on electrical equipment to keep their citizens alive and the equipment from being destroyed. It is a trivial "problem".

PS. Which pin do you test? DUH. Use a voltmeter on the male end... Never seen a voltmeter used before have you?

PPS. All major hospitals have electrical/mechanical technicians on staff/on call full time.

Weird Harold wrote:

keylime314 wrote:So you plug a multimeter in to get the Vthevenin and Rthevenin. Add in some resistors between the terminals and boom, you've got the wattage. Takes less than a minute. This is the easiest thing in the world, even if the Wattage isn't printed on the item like we do today for exactly this reason.

Which pins do you test on that plug?



How about this one?

Do you have the right connectors, do you know which pins carry what signals to which other components. does the Med bay have dedicated memory or does it disperse info across the entire ship's database?

You don't know the answers, nor do I. I at least admit there is a lot that I don't know about transferring the equipment ground-side in operable condition.

wastedfly wrote:Yep, keep proving you are hopelessly ignorant regarding anything with a wire attached.

Those connectors are not power connectors to equipment. The connectors shown are sub-assembly power and data stream connectors for analog/digital systems tied to a central "computer" tied to a central power source.

Weird Harold wrote:

I picked that particular Amphenol plug because in the F-4G Inertial Navigaton System, just such a plug carried power as well as data to one component. One of the stupider design choices made in upgrading F-4 systems, but applicable, I think to SLN SDs which have gone through similar upgrades.


I have no idea what sort of MILSPEC insanity has been imposed on the medical equipment aboard those ships, (EMP Hardening at least,) but the simple fact that they are military means they're unlikely to be off-the-shelf civilian compatible.

You may think Honorverse tech makes everything wireless and automatically adaptable, but you're just guessing and ascribing everything to handwavium and unobtainium technology.

I'm basing my pessimisn on 21 years of Electronics maintenance on the F-4 Phantom (and other USAF equipment.) Military equipment simply does not work out of its designed installation without some severe adaptations. When "MILSPEC" gets involved, some really weird design choices can get made -- and that's without considering the SLNs tendency towards graft and corruption that might get a coaxial gang-connector specified for use as "shielded power connections."

Going for deep earth removal using nukes eh?

Genius alert: Said INS needs, get this, power, and multiple signals for calibration and output signal... Hot damn, put it in one connector! What a thought! EMP gets in through what again? Connectors and wires. So more numerous connectors equals more or less pathways for EMP?

Oh wait, you mean EVERY sensor related connector ever made is at least a 3 or more wire connector? No way man! You mean I have to read the color of the wire to see which one is which? Like, no way dude! You mean these wire codes were set down in antiquity and are still used today? Well no way dude! Like YO! (Can you tell I have sarcastic teenagers in my house?)

As if a INS, RVDT aileron, pitot transducer sensors in a fighter are anywhere close to standard medical equipment. The better analogy, would be the power receptacle in the side of the F4 and having to plug it into a different Voltage and Frequency at some other base around the world. All equipment is absurdly easy to tell which is the power pins and which is the data even without a diagram even if you want to be in your "wierdo land" of special connectors. You always have the option of cutting the connector off and putting your own connector on. Shocking thought...

Weird Harold wrote:
I picked that particular Amphenol plug because in the F-4G Inertial Navigaton System, just such a plug carried power as well as data to one component. One of the stupider design choices made in upgrading F-4 systems, but applicable, I think to SLN SDs which have gone through similar upgrades.


I have no idea what sort of MILSPEC insanity has been imposed on the medical equipment aboard those ships, (EMP Hardening at least,) but the simple fact that they are military means they're unlikely to be off-the-shelf civilian compatible.

You may think Honorverse tech makes everything wireless and automatically adaptable, but you're just guessing and ascribing everything to handwavium and unobtainium technology.

I'm basing my pessimisn on 21 years of Electronics maintenance on the F-4 Phantom (and other USAF equipment.) Military equipment simply does not work out of its designed installation without some severe adaptations. When "MILSPEC" gets involved, some really weird design choices can get made -- and that's without considering the SLNs tendency towards graft and corruption that might get a coaxial gang-connector specified for use as "shielded power connections."

I really don't think the couplings in an F-4 that was designed in the 50's are relevant in this case. If you progress technology +1000 years data will not be sent through copper wires, think fiber optics and near field communications. Power will most likely be transmitted through room/high-temperature super conducting cables.

I'd expect that at that technological level of sophistication you will have a basic set of smart connectors that will automatically reconfigure themselves when connected. I did that in the 90's already on a small scale, a DB15 connector where 2 pins where hooked up to an eeprom that spat out the connection info for the other 13 pins. You plugged it in, the device read the configuration from the eeprom and could then use the external devices without having a multitude of different connectors.

It's not rocket science, just some know-how applied correctly.

Joat42 wrote:I really don't think the couplings in an F-4 that was designed in the 50's are relevant in this case. If you progress technology +1000 years data will not be sent through copper wires, think fiber optics and near field communications. Power will most likely be transmitted through room/high-temperature super conducting cables.

The point is called MILSPEC -- more than a collection of Military Specifications for specific items, but a mindset that embodies military conservative thinking. Solarian SDs are a century or more out of date not because the Sollies can't build better, but because Military Designers are conservative and "belt and suspenders" type of thinkers.

Military equipment, even 50-60 years old, or 1000+ years in the future needs to withstand EMP and battle damage; that would argue against wireless power supply and for proprietary shielded connectors. That engenders a different way of looking at how things fit together.

Weird Harold wrote:The point is called MILSPEC -- more than a collection of Military Specifications for specific items, but a mindset that embodies military conservative thinking. Solarian SDs are a century or more out of date not because the Sollies can't build better, but because Military Designers are conservative and "belt and suspenders" type of thinkers.

Military equipment, even 50-60 years old, or 1000+ years in the future needs to withstand EMP and battle damage; that would argue against wireless power supply and for proprietary shielded connectors. That engenders a different way of looking at how things fit together.

We agree on something! Many things, most in fact, fiber optic is a dead end. A non starter. In a medic facility you are not transferring massive amounts of data. If you are, it is say, a whole body scan or some future handwavium. Still comes down to quite a bit of hands on work and knowledge.

Though the inside systems of the ship, I honestly do not think need to be EMP shielded. That is what all ships have Radiation shielding for. An easier solution for the med bay would be to shield the medic facility. Heck, I would think the core armor would be a secondary EMP shield by itself. EMP running down the buses to your fusion plants would be a bad thing.

wastedfly wrote:Though the inside systems of the ship, I honestly do not think need to be EMP shielded.

EMP hardening is just one aspect of MILSPEC thinking, although one most familiar to civilians.

Another aspect of MILSPEC thinking that is likely to be at work in the SLN -- in fact textev hints at it -- is corruption, graft and "sweetheart," "sole source" contracts. The suppliers to the SLN would have a vested interest in making sure that they wouldn't be undercut by off-the-shelf civilian equipment.

I have no idea what incompatibilities are built into SLN equipment, but I fully expect there to be some. It might be as simple as replacing the plug on a power cord, or it might be as complicated as constructing specialized cables to connect component racks for the equipment to plug into.

Weird Harold wrote:snip...
or it might be as complicated as constructing specialized cables to connect component racks for the equipment to plug into.

And it would still be easier than hauling an entire SD, just to use the equipment on it.