drothgery wrote:Weird Harold wrote:Who cares? Those things are almost entirely software. Oyster Bay had zero impact on Manticore's ability to produce more of that.
Software isn't worth a damn without compatible computers/devices to run it on.
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by Weird Harold
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:11 am
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Software isn't worth a damn without compatible computers/devices to run it on. .
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by MaxxQ
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:23 am
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It most certainly *is* canon. See what's under my name over there to the left? BuNine. That means canon, when it's released publicly, and with David's blessings. There may be minor details that are different, but essentially, you can take it to the bank that that's a typical approach and docking, aside from the speed, as I mentioned before. As for dropping the pinnace down from orbit to the accident location, you're still talking about the same amount of time to get there as it would take to get from the ground to orbit - 40 minutes according to you earlier in the thread. That's an 80 minute round trip, not counting the time it takes getting the injured party on board. And what the hell makes you think a drop from orbit wouldn't have friction heating or sonic booms? If you want the shuttle there as soon as possible, you sure as hell aren't going to piss away time making sure the thing's going slow enough to *not* do that. So now you're adding more time to the response. Lastly... okay. Now you're advocating two-part trauma treatment. That's silly. If there's a trauma center planetside that's capable of "stabilizing" the patient for transport to a *second* trauma center, then wouldn't it be better to have the better trauma equipment already in place at the planetside location? Move those facilities from the ship to the planet. I doubt very much it would take more than a week to move the equipment and create "power converters" (a simple transformer along the lines of those I used when stationed in England to allow my U.S. made electrical products to wotk with Brit power outlets) to allow the Sollie equipment to work with Dresden voltages. Move the medical computers with it, have some software genious write up a conversion program, and transfer the files from Sollie comps to Dresden comps. Edit: Then again, Dresden (or whatever) comps may actually *be* Sollie comps. It's never really said. Last edited by MaxxQ on Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
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by MaxxQ
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:24 am
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Edit: NM
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by Imaginos1892
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:54 am
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Yeah, what HAVE you been smokin'? This is the Internet! If Weird Harold said the sun rises in the east every morning SOMEbody would disagree. To expand on a couple of points: By the time students depart Saganami Island on their middy cruises, they have spent hundreds of hours tooling around Manticore and other nearby systems in training ships. You learn to fly starships by flying starships, not by sitting on yer ass hunched over some salvaged obsolete computer terminal in a drafty warehouse on the ground. Stand watches, perform maintenance, plot courses in normal space, haul supplies to the asteroid belts, respond to emergencies, etc. That's how you learn. And, of course, if some pirate or raider shows up, well, it may be an obsolete POS by Manticoran standards but to the rest of the galaxy it's a first-rate superdreadnought that they REALLY don't want to tangle with. Dunno about Battle Fleet, but in Frontier Fleet a lot of spacers, up to senior enlisted and junior officers, are Shell and Verge worlders who joined the ISLN as the only alternative to serfdom for the Solly corporations that own their home systems in all but name. Their loyalty to the League, and the ISLN, would be skin deep at best. Many would jump at a chance to sign up with a government that will guarantee their rights and treat them like human beings. So, besides the fact that what little shipyard capacity remains has far more important things to do than salvage obsolete superdreadnoughts for parts and materials that are not of much use right now, there are a number of advantages to using the ships intact in systems where they would be hundreds of years more advanced than anything currently available there. This is an entire fleet that was deployed with the intent of operating from its own resources for a year or more; I'm sure it includes spare parts, supply ships that can harvest and process hydrogen, and just about anything else you can think of, all with many wunnerful opportunities for training spacers. -------------------- Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!! |
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by Weird Harold
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:59 am
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Well congratulations. I stand corrected..
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by Rakhmamort
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:50 am
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@Weird Harold
Nobody has said that the medical facilities onboard the SLN SDs are not going to provide better care for patients in neobarb planets. That is a given. However, you are hell bent on trying to keep such equipment in orbit. Kindly list down the advantages and disadvantages of 1) keeping the equipment in orbit over the option of removing the equipment and 2)augmenting the existing hospitals' capabilities ground side. Then we can discuss which advantage/disadvantage is not really an advantage/disadvantage. And finally we can weigh which option is best. ---- We are going round and round because of your desire to keep the SDs running because you also want them to become training platforms and you are using the reason that they are already being kept as spaceborn hospitals so might as well use them for something else. You are also using the rationale that they are already training platforms so might as well use them as hospitals. It's like some chicken and egg argument when we are still not convinced that there really is a chicken and an egg. --- Two not so good ideas does not mean they are a good idea together. Two not so good ideas to justify keeping an obsolete ship functioning in some manner (another not so good idea) at the same time adding security issues to the pot (an obviously not good idea) does not make the whole package a logical and efficient use of limited resources. |
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by Weird Harold
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:48 am
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I really get tired of repeating myself: The equipment works, now, where it is. The equipment does NOT work while it is being removed, being transported and while waiting for facilities to be configure to house it. Eventually the equipment from all of the warships can be moved to better, cheaper, more convenient accommodations, but it can and should be used and only taken offline one ship at a time for transfer to more permanent facilities. The rest should be used in place so that there is minimal down time. .
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by Rakhmamort
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:20 am
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So the main advantage is that it is usable right now even though you still have to transport the whole SD into the planet it is supposed to orbit, then find crew for it from the POWs, find gaolers for them and set up a system for the ambulances to be accessible to the planetary population? With all these things that need to be done before you can have your floating hospitals, it would be much faster to strip the SDs of the equipment and ship them to the planets. KISS principle, strip, transport, install. Rather than, get volunteers, filter by cats, parole, get guards, crew, resupply, move SD, set in orbit, get medical personnel, set up ambulance schedule availability. And we are forgetting that before they use the said SDs, regulations will require that the escape pods be re-installed into the SDs. They have to be refurbished and checked out before you can re-install them. Do you imagine how much work that will entail? Last edited by Rakhmamort on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
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by Spacekiwi
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:23 am
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Yes the equipment may work, but you are putting in at a distance from where its needed, aka the surface, and you are leaving it in a ship designed for war, not as a hospital, so i can guarantee there will have to be many accomadations made to care to set up a full hospital in the ship, as opposed to sending equipment dirtside, to a already functioning hopital to upgrade, rather than replace the hopsital capacity. Being able to ressurrect someone 5 minutes dead is good, until your patient reaches you 7 minutes dead.....
Source: 3 naval family members, 2 healthcare practitioners in the family. Furthermore, as rakhmamort points out, it takes crew capcity to run the ship in orbit, as opposed to delivering equipment. Thats ship personnel wasted keeping the hospital orbiting, as opposed to running your fleet.
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by Whitecold
» Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:25 am
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No, it doesn't work right now. Setting any such operation up takes time for your personnel to set up routines, the whole logistic and administrative business of who does what, and you can't efficiently cannibalize a ship while still partially using it without an additional layer of stopgap solutions for your stopgap solution.
Any such SD still would need time to work up, so you can as well cannibalize the ship. And most importantly, is there a need to start at any price right now, or is soon but properly better? Stopgap solutions have a nasty tendency to end up as permanent, suboptimal solutions. |
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