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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Markleaf   » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:31 am

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Jay6722 wrote:Brom O'berin, why do think it could be Leeana?


I can't say why Brom O'berin think it's Leeana but I can say why I do. I have a theory that the reason why the Dark really really wants Bahzell dead has less to do with him than with the Next Generation, i.e. his possible future children - and I think Leeana is the other half of that particular equation.

Adding up Wincit's explanation of cross breeding between the Races of Man, the fact that magic runs strong through the Sothoii as a whole and Leeana's maternal line in particular, the changes in the Rage among hrandani and the presence of the Coursers on the Wind Plain equals for me the Dark's worst nightmare - a half-hrandani wild wizard windrider. (I'd add Champion but that might be superfulous.)

Why Sharna would pick Leeana and not Bahzell for the top of his Hate List, I can't say. They'd both be necessary but then again it may be Bahzellson himself who's got the number one slot. That'd explain Wencit's comment about Sharna's 'attention being focused on rather younger people' rather than him.

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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Jay6722   » Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:15 pm

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Markleaf, Welcome to the Forums. You have made points, however there is one thing I would disagree with and that is combining the power of a champion and a wild wizard would be superfluous. I think we have not seen the most powerful servants of the dark that can enter the mortal realm. If I'm right then it might take the power of champion and a wild wizard to defeat it. We may have seen one Sharna's most powerful servants that can enter the mortal realm.

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Jay6722 wrote:Brom O'berin, why do think it could be Leeana?


I can't say why Brom O'berin think it's Leeana but I can say why I do. I have a theory that the reason why the Dark really really wants Bahzell dead has less to do with him than with the Next Generation, i.e. his possible future children - and I think Leeana is the other half of that particular equation.

Adding up Wincit's explanation of cross breeding between the Races of Man, the fact that magic runs strong through the Sothoii as a whole and Leeana's maternal line in particular, the changes in the Rage among hrandani and the presence of the Coursers on the Wind Plain equals for me the Dark's worst nightmare - a half-hrandani wild wizard windrider. (I'd add Champion but that might be superfulous.)

Why Sharna would pick Leeana and not Bahzell for the top of his Hate List, I can't say. They'd both be necessary but then again it may be Bahzellson himself who's got the number one slot. That'd explain Wencit's comment about Sharna's 'attention being focused on rather younger people' rather than him.

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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by PeterZ   » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:14 am

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One reason I can think of that Leeana is not the primary focus is that Bahzell may not agree to marry her if she asks. Not only that but it could be that there are other potential mates and all the human ones may beget special offspring.

I could even see Bahzell foregoing marriage altogether if he had a really bad love experience early in life. Many reasons not to act on the potential partner.

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Jay6722 wrote:Brom O'berin, why do think it could be Leeana?


I can't say why Brom O'berin think it's Leeana but I can say why I do. I have a theory that the reason why the Dark really really wants Bahzell dead has less to do with him than with the Next Generation, i.e. his possible future children - and I think Leeana is the other half of that particular equation.

Adding up Wincit's explanation of cross breeding between the Races of Man, the fact that magic runs strong through the Sothoii as a whole and Leeana's maternal line in particular, the changes in the Rage among hrandani and the presence of the Coursers on the Wind Plain equals for me the Dark's worst nightmare - a half-hrandani wild wizard windrider. (I'd add Champion but that might be superfulous.)

Why Sharna would pick Leeana and not Bahzell for the top of his Hate List, I can't say. They'd both be necessary but then again it may be Bahzellson himself who's got the number one slot. That'd explain Wencit's comment about Sharna's 'attention being focused on rather younger people' rather than him.

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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Jay6722   » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:55 pm

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And of course there is his job that takes up so much of his time. He has also said he's doesn't want a daughter because he doesn't have to deal with all the things that a father has to go through with a daughter.

PeterZ wrote:One reason I can think of that Leeana is not the primary focus is that Bahzell may not agree to marry her if she asks. Not only that but it could be that there are other potential mates and all the human ones may beget special offspring.

I could even see Bahzell foregoing marriage altogether if he had a really bad love experience early in life. Many reasons not to act on the potential partner.

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Jay6722 wrote:Brom O'berin, why do think it could be Leeana?


I can't say why Brom O'berin think it's Leeana but I can say why I do. I have a theory that the reason why the Dark really really wants Bahzell dead has less to do with him than with the Next Generation, i.e. his possible future children - and I think Leeana is the other half of that particular equation.

Adding up Wincit's explanation of cross breeding between the Races of Man, the fact that magic runs strong through the Sothoii as a whole and Leeana's maternal line in particular, the changes in the Rage among hrandani and the presence of the Coursers on the Wind Plain equals for me the Dark's worst nightmare - a half-hrandani wild wizard windrider. (I'd add Champion but that might be superfulous.)

Why Sharna would pick Leeana and not Bahzell for the top of his Hate List, I can't say. They'd both be necessary but then again it may be Bahzellson himself who's got the number one slot. That'd explain Wencit's comment about Sharna's 'attention being focused on rather younger people' rather than him.

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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Michael Everett   » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:26 am

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Jay6722 wrote:And of course there is his job that takes up so much of his time. He has also said he's doesn't want a daughter because he doesn't have to deal with all the things that a father has to go through with a daughter.

PeterZ wrote:One reason I can think of that Leeana is not the primary focus is that Bahzell may not agree to marry her if she asks. Not only that but it could be that there are other potential mates and all the human ones may beget special offspring.

I could even see Bahzell foregoing marriage altogether if he had a really bad love experience early in life. Many reasons not to act on the potential partner.


Just a minor note that may have an effect on this thread. I noted from the Twitter feed that the Mad Wizard is probably going to call the next book "War Maid's Choice".

Could Leanna be about to become the first War Maid Champion of Tomanak?

Let the speculation commence...
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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by FriarBob   » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:22 am

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Michael Everett wrote:Just a minor note that may have an effect on this thread. I noted from the Twitter feed that the Mad Wizard is probably going to call the next book "War Maid's Choice".

Could Leanna be about to become the first War Maid Champion of Tomanak?

Let the speculation commence...


Well there are a LOT of things that could be chosen... and a LOT of war maids who could be DOING the choosing. So while that's at least a possibility, there are quite a few others as well.

One thing I do remember, there was something in the previous book about the attack on Lillianara's temple having multiple possible "good" outcomes for the bad guys and gals, even if their plans didn't quite work out in a fully "ideal" way. So it's also possible that there is another war maid, one already established as a leader in some fashion, who will make a critical decision in this next book that Sharna hoped to prevent.
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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Jay6722   » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:48 pm

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FriarBob it wasn't Sharna that was in charge the operations involving the War Maids it was Shigu. Which means anything the dark gods were trying to ovoid was suppose to be avoided by Shigu. Michael, Leanna becoming a champion of Tomanak would be very surprising. I would expect her to become champion of Lillinara.

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Michael Everett wrote:Just a minor note that may have an effect on this thread. I noted from the Twitter feed that the Mad Wizard is probably going to call the next book "War Maid's Choice".

Could Leanna be about to become the first War Maid Champion of Tomanak?

Let the speculation commence...


Well there are a LOT of things that could be chosen... and a LOT of war maids who could be DOING the choosing. So while that's at least a possibility, there are quite a few others as well.

One thing I do remember, there was something in the previous book about the attack on Lillianara's temple having multiple possible "good" outcomes for the bad guys and gals, even if their plans didn't quite work out in a fully "ideal" way. So it's also possible that there is another war maid, one already established as a leader in some fashion, who will make a critical decision in this next book that Sharna hoped to prevent.
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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by FriarBob   » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:24 pm

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Well, except for the minor detail that two (or maybe three) of the dark gods were cooperating in that endeavor already... why not one more?


Jay6722 wrote:FriarBob it wasn't Sharna that was in charge the operations involving the War Maids it was Shigu. Which means anything the dark gods were trying to ovoid was suppose to be avoided by Shigu. Michael, Leanna becoming a champion of Tomanak would be very surprising. I would expect her to become champion of Lillinara.

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Michael Everett wrote:Just a minor note that may have an effect on this thread. I noted from the Twitter feed that the Mad Wizard is probably going to call the next book "War Maid's Choice".

Could Leanna be about to become the first War Maid Champion of Tomanak?

Let the speculation commence...


Well there are a LOT of things that could be chosen... and a LOT of war maids who could be DOING the choosing. So while that's at least a possibility, there are quite a few others as well.

One thing I do remember, there was something in the previous book about the attack on Lillianara's temple having multiple possible "good" outcomes for the bad guys and gals, even if their plans didn't quite work out in a fully "ideal" way. So it's also possible that there is another war maid, one already established as a leader in some fashion, who will make a critical decision in this next book that Sharna hoped to prevent.
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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Donnachaidh   » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:42 pm

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Because they don't cooperate very well. We saw the tension between the different followers in previous books, adding more dark gods would only make it worse and have it fall apart sooner.

FriarBob wrote:Well, except for the minor detail that two (or maybe three) of the dark gods were cooperating in that endeavor already... why not one more?
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Re: Who could Sharna want dead more more then Bahzell?
Post by Jay6722   » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:40 am

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Donnachaidh, I just realized Sharna did have a follower that was part of the conspiracy on the Wind Plain named Salgahn. So Sharna was a part of the conspiracy as well. We will have to wait and see how big a role Salgahn will play in the future.

It would be another reason why Bahzell is on the Wind Plain. Because from what we have learned in the stories Bahzell is Tomanak's anti-Sharna specialist.

Donnachaidh wrote:Because they don't cooperate very well. We saw the tension between the different followers in previous books, adding more dark gods would only make it worse and have it fall apart sooner.

FriarBob wrote:Well, except for the minor detail that two (or maybe three) of the dark gods were cooperating in that endeavor already... why not one more?
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