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Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath

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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Skia   » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:58 am

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Your memory matched what I remembered, but I went back and re-read the section.


<But in that case,> Walsharno thought slowly, <there must be as many universes as there are possible outcomes.>

<Precisely,> Tomanâk replied simply...



There does still seem to be multiple worlds as well or at least something else out there where demons come from, but also many universes.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Rook13   » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:35 am

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Jaxomfaux wrote:snipped
as for the original question. I assume, as others already have said, that Isvaria was busy, out of place, or letting Tomanak handle it for her.

Another possibility is that, due to her ability to discern possibilities, Isvaria kept her champion out because she forsaw failure resulting from her champion's possible actions.
Possibly.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Jaxomfaux   » Wed May 04, 2011 4:34 pm

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Skia: i stand corrected

Rook13: that's entirely possible as well :D and a very interesting thought.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Skia   » Thu May 05, 2011 2:14 pm

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Jaxomfaux wrote:Skia: i stand corrected

Rook13: that's entirely possible as well :D and a very interesting thought.


I remembered it the same as you, though in my case that might have been because a universe for every possibility doesn't really make sense.
In my mind, at least, the way written would give a clear victory to the dark gods since there is only one (or a few) ways to get things right and many ways to screw something up.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Thu May 05, 2011 3:14 pm

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Skia wrote:
I remembered it the same as you, though in my case that might have been because a universe for every possibility doesn't really make sense.
In my mind, at least, the way written would give a clear victory to the dark gods since there is only one (or a few) ways to get things right and many ways to screw something up.


But Murphy's Law applies to both sides. So from the evil perspective the opposite would be true. Leyte Gulf comes to mind for instance on both sides.

Remember the only time you are paranoid is if they aren't out to get you.

Voiced my opinion elseewhere though I am having some thoughts on how it might actually work based off some Ideas voiced here. Needs more thought though.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Skia   » Thu May 05, 2011 4:06 pm

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thinkstoomuch wrote:But Murphy's Law applies to both sides. So from the evil perspective the opposite would be true. Leyte Gulf comes to mind for instance on both sides.

Remember the only time you are paranoid is if they aren't out to get you.

Voiced my opinion elseewhere though I am having some thoughts on how it might actually work based off some Ideas voiced here. Needs more thought though.
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I completely agree with Murphy's Law affecting both sides and messing with them both.

I guess more with this particular battle of good vs. evil it has more to do with my view on what evil is. In essence I view "evil" as a perversion of good and for every right action there are usually more options to mess it up.
So I suppose the real reason that it doesn't make sense to me has more to do with the way I view the world than anything else.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by shogun37   » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:34 am

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Just to throw in my two cents...From what I understand, people like Bahzell are a locus, greatly impacting the people around him. The more "correct" choices he makes, the more good the others he impacts do. Until that universe has been won for good.
If you look at just one individual's choices. It is a zero sum game. But if you look at how that individual and his choices affect others, it becomes a bit different.
As Tomanak said, a single cause may not have a single effect...if I remember correctly. So, all those choices add up, over time. Until the light or the dark wins.
Sorry if I seem a bit long winded...
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Jay6722   » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:00 am

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Yep, and I think Sword Brother might just be are first look inside one of those alternate universes.

Skia wrote:Your memory matched what I remembered, but I went back and re-read the section.


<But in that case,> Walsharno thought slowly, <there must be as many universes as there are possible outcomes.>

<Precisely,> Tomanâk replied simply...



There does still seem to be multiple worlds as well or at least something else out there where demons come from, but also many universes.
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Re: Isvaria and Wind Rider's Oath
Post by Oline   » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:54 pm

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before the time "window" reaches a point then all possibility exist but as the window becomes a decision for good or bad in that Universe that they are dealing with it becomes solid and thus the other choices are now gone and other choices branch out. Until eventually all choices become one in the sense that all the remaining choices will lead to the triumph or either good or evil.
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